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Lots of hilarity and conspiracy in the comments - evidently Google is behind the decline of Mozilla and Redhat is killing Gnome. Gnome3 has it's problems, howe

by VMG 14y ago

Lots of hilarity and conspiracy in the comments - evidently Google is behind the decline of Mozilla and Redhat is killing Gnome. Gnome3 has it's problems, however I as a user much prefer having one pretty theme and a changing API instead of a stable API and a forest of ugly themes. Despite all the ranting and foaming of mouth, Gnome3.6 still is the best DE out there in my opinion.

mverwijs 14y ago
And since limited choice works for you it should also work for the rest of the world?
- seqastian 14y ago
  It's science. Less options not only make your choice better but also your satisfaction of it.
  - vacri 14y ago
    I have a friend who spent his childhood in the Soviet Union who'd probably like to disagree with you about that.
psionski 14y ago
So, where's the pretty theme? Be advised, I most probably don't like the same stuff that you do.
- VMG 14y ago
  Guess you are unlucky. I'm not being sarcastic either. It just is more difficult to support many different themes than just one.
  - curiousdannii 14y ago
    Especially if you can't/worn't stabilise theme APIs...
chris_wot 14y ago
It took them two years to put back the power off button back on the menu. That's quite some progress.
- VMG 14y ago
  I liked it the way it was before. I put my Desktop PC in suspend way more often than I actually shut it down.
  - chris_wot 14y ago
    Solution? Have a "suspend" AND a power off option.
reidrac 14y ago
A stable API always benefit the user because it makes possible more (and better) applications. Saying "ranting and foaming of mouth" kills the conversation and I believe is one of Gnome problems for some time now (_aka_ If you're not with us, you're a hater). Conversation is part of the open source community.
edoloughlin 14y ago
> Despite all the ranting and foaming of mouth There seem to be plenty of links to discussions in the bug tracker to support this article. E.g., the attitude of the dev in response to reasonable argument from his users in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485846 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485846 is pretty much "I'm not changing it, just because". That would make me rant and foam at the mouth because a reasoned approach patently failed in this case.
- VMG 14y ago
  I was just talking about the apparent problem of not having a stable theme API. The developers never promised to provide a stable theme API, even selecting themes as a user is basically only possible via "gnome-tweak-tool", so this had "alpha code" written all over it from the beginning. E.g., the attitude of the dev in response to reasonable argument from his users in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485846 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485846 is pretty much "I'm not changing it, just because". That would make me rant and foam at the mouth because a reasoned approach patently failed in this case. Even this case isn't as clear-cut as you make it out to be, especially if you look at comment #14.
  - dalai 14y ago
    Unfortunately comment #14 doesn't say anything. He just posted the links to search on three bugtrackers for brightness. There is still no specific bug that he mentioned.
- oneandoneis2 14y ago
  Wow. Reading that one single ticket has just guaranteed I don't even bother looking at Gnome 3. That "X always implies Y and I don't care if your use-case disagrees" attitude is poisonous and a project that doesn't consider it so is a train wreck waiting to happen.
steevdave 14y ago
I love having a decent looking default theme rather than a forest of ugly ones as well. However, the default theme is nowhere near pretty, or even usable on smaller screen sizes. I have a 10" netbook that runs Gnome like a dream, but there is so much wasted space due to the size of the panel and further in the size of title bars. Considering they default to one button on it, there is no reason it should be as large as it is. That said I still use Gnome3, and I donate to theme developers who make themes that make the desktop more usable to me.

by VMG 14y ago

mverwijs 14y ago

And since limited choice works for you it should also work for the rest of the world?

seqastian 14y ago
It's science. Less options not only make your choice better but also your satisfaction of it.
- vacri 14y ago
  I have a friend who spent his childhood in the Soviet Union who'd probably like to disagree with you about that.

psionski 14y ago

So, where's the pretty theme? Be advised, I most probably don't like the same stuff that you do.

VMG 14y ago
Guess you are unlucky. I'm not being sarcastic either. It just is more difficult to support many different themes than just one.
- curiousdannii 14y ago
  Especially if you can't/worn't stabilise theme APIs...

chris_wot 14y ago

It took them two years to put back the power off button back on the menu. That's quite some progress.

VMG 14y ago
I liked it the way it was before. I put my Desktop PC in suspend way more often than I actually shut it down.
- chris_wot 14y ago
  Solution? Have a "suspend" AND a power off option.

reidrac 14y ago

A stable API always benefit the user because it makes possible more (and better) applications. Saying "ranting and foaming of mouth" kills the conversation and I believe is one of Gnome problems for some time now (_aka_ If you're not with us, you're a hater). Conversation is part of the open source community.

edoloughlin 14y ago

> Despite all the ranting and foaming of mouth There seem to be plenty of links to discussions in the bug tracker to support this article. E.g., the attitude of the dev in response to reasonable argument from his users in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485846 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485846 is pretty much "I'm not changing it, just because". That would make me rant and foam at the mouth because a reasoned approach patently failed in this case.

VMG 14y ago
I was just talking about the apparent problem of not having a stable theme API. The developers never promised to provide a stable theme API, even selecting themes as a user is basically only possible via "gnome-tweak-tool", so this had "alpha code" written all over it from the beginning. E.g., the attitude of the dev in response to reasonable argument from his users in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485846 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485846 is pretty much "I'm not changing it, just because". That would make me rant and foam at the mouth because a reasoned approach patently failed in this case. Even this case isn't as clear-cut as you make it out to be, especially if you look at comment #14.
- dalai 14y ago
  Unfortunately comment #14 doesn't say anything. He just posted the links to search on three bugtrackers for brightness. There is still no specific bug that he mentioned.
oneandoneis2 14y ago
Wow. Reading that one single ticket has just guaranteed I don't even bother looking at Gnome 3. That "X always implies Y and I don't care if your use-case disagrees" attitude is poisonous and a project that doesn't consider it so is a train wreck waiting to happen.

steevdave 14y ago

I love having a decent looking default theme rather than a forest of ugly ones as well. However, the default theme is nowhere near pretty, or even usable on smaller screen sizes. I have a 10" netbook that runs Gnome like a dream, but there is so much wasted space due to the size of the panel and further in the size of title bars. Considering they default to one button on it, there is no reason it should be as large as it is. That said I still use Gnome3, and I donate to theme developers who make themes that make the desktop more usable to me.