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I have been mulling this over and I think I have some solutions in mind, at least for myself. • No more sharing my project work as open source. No more open d

I have been mulling this over and I think I have some solutions in mind, at least for myself. • No more sharing my project work as open source. No more open discussion. I don't care how badly I want to show the world; if I'd like somebody to see, I will have it printed in a physical book, or I will give them access to my private repository not reachable via the public Internet. • Bring back LAN parties. Not for gaming necessarily, but for the purpose of exchanging works of engineering and art in an intimate, intentional way. • Take this as an opportunity to build closer, longer-lasting relationships with people. • No more emphasis on metrics. I can microdose on dopamine from natural sources, like, looking at a beautiful sky at sunset, or cuddling my dog. • Open hardware, or, in the very least, hardware we can still control on our own volition. If this means we must be retrocomputing enthusiasts, then so be it.

arkensaw 7mo ago
I don't know, I think it's an overreaction. > No more sharing my project work as open source. No more open discussion. I don't care how badly I want to show the world; if I'd like somebody to see, I will have it printed in a physical book, or I will give them access to my private repository not reachable via the public Internet. If you have a project you would have open-sourced, and you don't do that for fear that the LLM god will steal it, what's the point of building it at all? We shouldn't be afraid to share things with other humans just because LLMs will possibly use it as training data. So what if they spam out a copy of it, or a derivative? If we all stop sharing things with each other in case one of us is a robot, we might aswell just lie down and die
- xantronix 7mo ago
  > If you have a project you would have open-sourced, and you don't do that for fear that the LLM god will steal it, what's the point of building it at all? To prove to myself that I can, and to solve problems in a way I enjoy. I'm not saying I want to go into utter solitude; I just want to be a lot more careful where and how I share my works. Addendum: I think the idea of private art and code collectives, entirely separate from concerns of LLM consumption, are an interesting idea worth pursuit. Has something like that been pursued before? It's reason enough for me to engage in that.
  - nextaccountic 7mo ago
    I think the Toledo family qualifies http://biyubi.com/ http://biyubi.com/
    - xantronix 7mo ago
      ...I love this. You have made my day, thank you.
      - nextaccountic 7mo ago
        And I guess my point is. For the firstt some decades, while they weren't exactly bound by secrecy, I think they had some obscurity, and were just doing their things in private (which involved things like bare metal assembly, building an operating system, doing embedded work, retrocomputing, etc). Not exactly sure, but from what I gather the appearances they had with media, awards etc. were relatively recent But when a younger member of the family published nanochess [0] and other entries to IOCCC [1] they gained international notoriety In any case, see also the history page [2] in the family website for context [0] http://nanochess.org http://nanochess.org but see repositories in https://github.com/nanochess https://github.com/nanochess for other projects [1] https://www.ioccc.org/ https://www.ioccc.org/ [2] http://www.biyubi.com/eng_historia.html http://www.biyubi.com/eng_historia.html
        xantronix 7mo ago
        Thank you so much again for introducing me to this. The closest thing I was aware of, or at least most aligned with my interests previously was permacomputing, and maybe CollapseOS; the community aspect is really cool and something I'd like to explore more alongside my artistic intent.
- hx8 7mo ago
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- Den_VR 7mo ago
  I’m not afraid of the llm, but also acknowledge that some people _feel_ a fear of theft by soulless robots. What I do fear is the possibility of megacorp robots being the only ones… local and “dark” technology are essential.
  - xantronix 7mo ago
    We're not anthropomorphising LLMs themselves as the bogeymen here. They are simply the spear tip held by the locus of power. If we do not have conceivable means to produce models of our own accord, for our own usage, do we really have the same degree of power that owners of datacenters appreciate? In the words of Zack de la Rocha: "Fuck tha G-ride, I want the machines that are makin' 'em". Furthermore: "Know your enemy."

arkensaw 7mo ago

I don't know, I think it's an overreaction. > No more sharing my project work as open source. No more open discussion. I don't care how badly I want to show the world; if I'd like somebody to see, I will have it printed in a physical book, or I will give them access to my private repository not reachable via the public Internet. If you have a project you would have open-sourced, and you don't do that for fear that the LLM god will steal it, what's the point of building it at all? We shouldn't be afraid to share things with other humans just because LLMs will possibly use it as training data. So what if they spam out a copy of it, or a derivative? If we all stop sharing things with each other in case one of us is a robot, we might aswell just lie down and die

xantronix 7mo ago
> If you have a project you would have open-sourced, and you don't do that for fear that the LLM god will steal it, what's the point of building it at all? To prove to myself that I can, and to solve problems in a way I enjoy. I'm not saying I want to go into utter solitude; I just want to be a lot more careful where and how I share my works. Addendum: I think the idea of private art and code collectives, entirely separate from concerns of LLM consumption, are an interesting idea worth pursuit. Has something like that been pursued before? It's reason enough for me to engage in that.
- nextaccountic 7mo ago
  I think the Toledo family qualifies http://biyubi.com/ http://biyubi.com/
  - xantronix 7mo ago
    ...I love this. You have made my day, thank you.
    - nextaccountic 7mo ago
      And I guess my point is. For the firstt some decades, while they weren't exactly bound by secrecy, I think they had some obscurity, and were just doing their things in private (which involved things like bare metal assembly, building an operating system, doing embedded work, retrocomputing, etc). Not exactly sure, but from what I gather the appearances they had with media, awards etc. were relatively recent But when a younger member of the family published nanochess [0] and other entries to IOCCC [1] they gained international notoriety In any case, see also the history page [2] in the family website for context [0] http://nanochess.org http://nanochess.org but see repositories in https://github.com/nanochess https://github.com/nanochess for other projects [1] https://www.ioccc.org/ https://www.ioccc.org/ [2] http://www.biyubi.com/eng_historia.html http://www.biyubi.com/eng_historia.html
      - xantronix 7mo ago
        Thank you so much again for introducing me to this. The closest thing I was aware of, or at least most aligned with my interests previously was permacomputing, and maybe CollapseOS; the community aspect is really cool and something I'd like to explore more alongside my artistic intent.
hx8 7mo ago
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Den_VR 7mo ago
I’m not afraid of the llm, but also acknowledge that some people _feel_ a fear of theft by soulless robots. What I do fear is the possibility of megacorp robots being the only ones… local and “dark” technology are essential.
- xantronix 7mo ago
  We're not anthropomorphising LLMs themselves as the bogeymen here. They are simply the spear tip held by the locus of power. If we do not have conceivable means to produce models of our own accord, for our own usage, do we really have the same degree of power that owners of datacenters appreciate? In the words of Zack de la Rocha: "Fuck tha G-ride, I want the machines that are makin' 'em". Furthermore: "Know your enemy."