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The same reason some use crime committed by illegal immigrants to push action, while ignoring the fact that citizens are more likely percentage-wise to commit t

The same reason some use crime committed by illegal immigrants to push action, while ignoring the fact that citizens are more likely percentage-wise to commit those same crimes. It's confirmation bias at the least, and intellectual dishonesty at the worst, but either way, they want their worldview to be validated.

Gud 7mo ago
I know this is extremely off topic, but illegal immigrants are far more likely to commit crimes than citizens, not that this has anything to do with software bugs...
- simonw 7mo ago
  You got that exactly the wrong way round. Here's one set of numbers from the CATO institute: https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/illegal-immigrant-murderers-texas-2013-2022 https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/illegal-immigrant-murde... The only way your statement holds up is if you treat the act of existing while undocumented as a crime for this comparison, in which case sure - it's a tautology.
  - Gud 7mo ago
    First of all, the link you provided mixes illegal migration with legal migration, a classic trick trying to downplay the effects of illegal immigration. Second, it compares murder rates only, in the state of Texas, a state well known to have extreme amounts of legal guns. You can hardly generalise from this data. Here is some interesting data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Denmark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Denmark FWIW I don’t live in the USA.
    - simonw 7mo ago
      > First of all, the link you provided mixes illegal migration with legal migration No it doesn't. I chose that article specifically because it provides figures for native-born citizens, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants: > Over the 10-year period from 2013 to 2022, the homicide conviction rate in Texas for illegal immigrants was 2.2 per 100,000, compared to 3.0 per 100,000 for native-born Americans. The homicide conviction rate for legal immigrants in Texas was 1.2 per 100,000. I accept that the figures in other countries may not work out the same way as figures in the USA.
      - Gud 7mo ago
        I would not trust these numbers either way, because they are from a think thank with a very specific agenda.
- bdcravens 7mo ago
  I probably won't comment further, since as you said this is very off-topic (I only meant to draw out an analogy as to why discussions about AI tend to be ideologically skewed), but every statistic I've seen shows far lower crime rates among illegal immigrants versus citizens (aside from the statutory crime of being in the country illegally).

Gud 7mo ago

I know this is extremely off topic, but illegal immigrants are far more likely to commit crimes than citizens, not that this has anything to do with software bugs...

simonw 7mo ago
You got that exactly the wrong way round. Here's one set of numbers from the CATO institute: https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/illegal-immigrant-murderers-texas-2013-2022 https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/illegal-immigrant-murde... The only way your statement holds up is if you treat the act of existing while undocumented as a crime for this comparison, in which case sure - it's a tautology.
- Gud 7mo ago
  First of all, the link you provided mixes illegal migration with legal migration, a classic trick trying to downplay the effects of illegal immigration. Second, it compares murder rates only, in the state of Texas, a state well known to have extreme amounts of legal guns. You can hardly generalise from this data. Here is some interesting data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Denmark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Denmark FWIW I don’t live in the USA.
  - simonw 7mo ago
    > First of all, the link you provided mixes illegal migration with legal migration No it doesn't. I chose that article specifically because it provides figures for native-born citizens, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants: > Over the 10-year period from 2013 to 2022, the homicide conviction rate in Texas for illegal immigrants was 2.2 per 100,000, compared to 3.0 per 100,000 for native-born Americans. The homicide conviction rate for legal immigrants in Texas was 1.2 per 100,000. I accept that the figures in other countries may not work out the same way as figures in the USA.
    - Gud 7mo ago
      I would not trust these numbers either way, because they are from a think thank with a very specific agenda.
bdcravens 7mo ago
I probably won't comment further, since as you said this is very off-topic (I only meant to draw out an analogy as to why discussions about AI tend to be ideologically skewed), but every statistic I've seen shows far lower crime rates among illegal immigrants versus citizens (aside from the statutory crime of being in the country illegally).