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Presumably this is all because OpenAI offers free ChatGPT to logged out users and don't want that being abused as a free API endpoint.

by simonw 7mo ago

appreciatorBus 7mo ago
Yup. Coincidentally about an hour ago, I wanted to look something up in ChatGPT and I happened to be in a browser window I don’t normally use, with no logged in accounts. I assumed it wouldn’t work, but to my surprise with no account, no cookies of any kind it took my query and gave me an answer.
- gruez 7mo ago
  >I assumed it wouldn’t work, but to my surprise with no account, no cookies of any kind it took my query and gave me an answer. They allowed anonymous requests for months now, maybe even a year.
  - solaire_oa 7mo ago
    Yeah, additionally gemini.google.com is also free unauthenticated, which I've been using for a very long time (a year?). Why this is being treated as news is confusing.
    - iberator 7mo ago
      Microsoft and Gemini can be used without account. just works! (talking about web app)
- aziaziazi 7mo ago
  I used to mostly use chatgpt in an incognito tab, logged out. Until I notice it seems to have some context of my logged in session, and of the logged out as well. It may be paranoia or prompt deduction as well but that felt strange.
- FergusArgyll 7mo ago
  Yeah it works but it's a dumber model. Prob mini
  - lelandfe 7mo ago
    You get a couple requests in at a smarter model and then it prompts you to sign up, and from there uses an extremely dumb model.
- vscode-rest 7mo ago
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NotPractical 7mo ago
But do they do it whether you're logged in or not? I noticed the ChatGPT app also checks Play Integrity on Android (because GrapheneOS snitches on apps when they do this), probably for the same reason. Claude's app doesn't, by the way, but it also requires a login.
- Gander5739 7mo ago
  Because accounts are free, and could still be used to abuse as a free endpoint, with a little trickiness.
  - gzread 7mo ago
    Don't you need a Google account and to get a Google account you need a phone number? "You're posting too fast! Please slow down."
    - Gander5739 7mo ago
      You don't need a phone number to create a google account. (Though the account creation flow is inconsistent in this, in sone situations it will require a phone number, in some it won't.)
thisisnow 7mo ago
Its probably same for copilot.microsoft.com and their cloudfart usage
darepublic 7mo ago
Using 5.2 at 20 a month would also be a steal. Other shoe will drop on codex sooner or later
bredren 7mo ago
It is also intended to protect the usage patterns of pro subscribers. As has been amply explained, the API pricing per token is far more for equivalent use when maximizing a subscription plan. It isn’t really a massive hurdle to deal with this full SPA load check. If one is even aware it exists they already have the skills to bypass it anyway. I get why people would “what about” the automation inherit in what OpenAI is doing but that is a separate matter. Other businesses and applications can put into place their own hurdles and anti bot practices to protect the models they’ve leaned into—-and they have been.

Presumably this is all because OpenAI offers free ChatGPT to logged out users and don't want that being abused as a free API endpoint.

by simonw 7mo ago

Presumably this is all because OpenAI offers free ChatGPT to logged out users and don't want that being abused as a free API endpoint.

appreciatorBus 7mo ago

Yup. Coincidentally about an hour ago, I wanted to look something up in ChatGPT and I happened to be in a browser window I don’t normally use, with no logged in accounts. I assumed it wouldn’t work, but to my surprise with no account, no cookies of any kind it took my query and gave me an answer.

gruez 7mo ago
>I assumed it wouldn’t work, but to my surprise with no account, no cookies of any kind it took my query and gave me an answer. They allowed anonymous requests for months now, maybe even a year.
- solaire_oa 7mo ago
  Yeah, additionally gemini.google.com is also free unauthenticated, which I've been using for a very long time (a year?). Why this is being treated as news is confusing.
  - iberator 7mo ago
    Microsoft and Gemini can be used without account. just works! (talking about web app)
aziaziazi 7mo ago
I used to mostly use chatgpt in an incognito tab, logged out. Until I notice it seems to have some context of my logged in session, and of the logged out as well. It may be paranoia or prompt deduction as well but that felt strange.
FergusArgyll 7mo ago
Yeah it works but it's a dumber model. Prob mini
- lelandfe 7mo ago
  You get a couple requests in at a smarter model and then it prompts you to sign up, and from there uses an extremely dumb model.
vscode-rest 7mo ago
[dead]

NotPractical 7mo ago

But do they do it whether you're logged in or not? I noticed the ChatGPT app also checks Play Integrity on Android (because GrapheneOS snitches on apps when they do this), probably for the same reason. Claude's app doesn't, by the way, but it also requires a login.

Gander5739 7mo ago
Because accounts are free, and could still be used to abuse as a free endpoint, with a little trickiness.
- gzread 7mo ago
  Don't you need a Google account and to get a Google account you need a phone number? "You're posting too fast! Please slow down."
  - Gander5739 7mo ago
    You don't need a phone number to create a google account. (Though the account creation flow is inconsistent in this, in sone situations it will require a phone number, in some it won't.)

thisisnow 7mo ago

Its probably same for copilot.microsoft.com and their cloudfart usage

darepublic 7mo ago

Using 5.2 at 20 a month would also be a steal. Other shoe will drop on codex sooner or later

bredren 7mo ago

It is also intended to protect the usage patterns of pro subscribers. As has been amply explained, the API pricing per token is far more for equivalent use when maximizing a subscription plan. It isn’t really a massive hurdle to deal with this full SPA load check. If one is even aware it exists they already have the skills to bypass it anyway. I get why people would “what about” the automation inherit in what OpenAI is doing but that is a separate matter. Other businesses and applications can put into place their own hurdles and anti bot practices to protect the models they’ve leaned into—-and they have been.