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Ex-Colleagues are launching a startup right now: No US-Services from the beginning on, only OpenSource and this new EU-Office thingy. I think more companies wi

Ex-Colleagues are launching a startup right now: No US-Services from the beginning on, only OpenSource and this new EU-Office thingy. I think more companies will join the train? Esp new & smaller ones, for sure there is no option for bigCorp like ASML to be free of US-cloud, but maybe its gaining traction.

polyamid23 7mo ago
What new EU-Office thingy?
- pimeys 7mo ago
  https://office.eu/ https://office.eu/
- grsmvg 7mo ago
  Reading this interview and the comments doesn't really spark a lot of confidence in the product (in Dutch): https://tweakers.net/reviews/14562/nextcloud-met-een-strik-erom-hoe-uniek-is-microsoft-365-concurrent-office-eu.html https://tweakers.net/reviews/14562/nextcloud-met-een-strik-e... I paints the picture of it being mostly a hyped marketing wrapper around Nextcloud that hasn't even launched yet.
gip 7mo ago
Surprised by this take. Building a startup is already insanely hard. So I wouldn’t like to add more challenge by spending time integrating with non-US services if they are not top just because of my political views. I feel a better answer is for Europe to build real, competitive alternatives to US services.
- tinodb 7mo ago
  So now you know how much it matter :)
- cineticdaffodil 7mo ago
  The eu can not move and function in any capacity standalone. The moment the is dropped out the eu tried to fill that hole with the other allies atoll.
- cbeach 7mo ago
  I love seeing companies set meritocracy aside for partisan political posturing. All people who run companies should relish their competition behaving sub-optimally.
  - Schmerika 7mo ago
    > sub-optimally Optimal for society? Optimal for the Epstein class? Or do you mean optimal for the owner, personally, in the very short term? Because that's the choice people are making these days. It's not really "partisan political posturing" to divest from countries running pedo blackmail rings on the world, or arming genocide, or bombing hundreds of schools. Targeting journalists, then lying about them to try and justify it. Pulling the plug on incubators. Targeting entire families with shoddy AI. Bombing civilian power plants and ambulances and hospitals and so on and on. There's nothing partisan or posturing about saying "fuck all that". That's just your duty as a human being, the basic bare minimum. That duty doesn't get discarded just because you run a company or have evil competitors trying to race you to the bottom. When companies are complicit with committing heinous atrocities at scale, and screwing up the world economy for their own gain, I find very little 'merit' in that. Is 'meritocracy' a purely financial term in your view? Do 'respect for life' and 'trust' and other nebulous concepts (which don't immediately affect the balance sheet) have merit?
    - cbeach 7mo ago
      > Optimal for society? Optimal for the Epstein class? Or do you mean optimal for the owner No. Optimal for employees and customers, which is, in turn, optimal for society. Making technology choices based on political ideology rather than merit is bad for the interests of both employees and customers. The hyperbolic statements in your comment suggest your worldview comes from an online echo chamber. With respect, I think you'd benefit from consuming news from a variety of different sources. Think critically about the biases and agendas of the media. I suspect none of your favourite media sources mentioned the illegal cluster munitions that Iran used to destroy an Israeli kindergarten (among other civilian buildings) on Saturday: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-us-israel-war-updates-2026/card/YchAxtTyH42HAqxbUlsp https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-us-israel-war-updates-... War is an ugly business. Outcomes are rarely so pure that we can single out "good guys" and "bad guys". But hopefully once you've examined the facts objectively you'll see that the Israeli government is more ethical than Hamas, and you'll see that the American government (yes, even Orange Man Bad) is better than the Ayatollahs of Iran and their IRGC.
- shofmn 7mo ago
  This is just one example, but I think worth sharing: I've been running a new solution in beta for a while and am about to go commercial (Germany). In my solution, it's essential to keep personal data safe and ensuring the customer it's not shared with anybody else. I used Azure and AWS in the past, but stopped. Using only German data centers & services is a selling point for my customers and builds additional trust. Aside the initial effort, I don't see any big technological disadvantages for my use-case and actually pay less now for operating everything.

polyamid23 7mo ago

What new EU-Office thingy?

pimeys 7mo ago
https://office.eu/ https://office.eu/
grsmvg 7mo ago
Reading this interview and the comments doesn't really spark a lot of confidence in the product (in Dutch): https://tweakers.net/reviews/14562/nextcloud-met-een-strik-erom-hoe-uniek-is-microsoft-365-concurrent-office-eu.html https://tweakers.net/reviews/14562/nextcloud-met-een-strik-e... I paints the picture of it being mostly a hyped marketing wrapper around Nextcloud that hasn't even launched yet.

gip 7mo ago

Surprised by this take. Building a startup is already insanely hard. So I wouldn’t like to add more challenge by spending time integrating with non-US services if they are not top just because of my political views. I feel a better answer is for Europe to build real, competitive alternatives to US services.

tinodb 7mo ago
So now you know how much it matter :)
cineticdaffodil 7mo ago
The eu can not move and function in any capacity standalone. The moment the is dropped out the eu tried to fill that hole with the other allies atoll.
cbeach 7mo ago
I love seeing companies set meritocracy aside for partisan political posturing. All people who run companies should relish their competition behaving sub-optimally.
- Schmerika 7mo ago
  > sub-optimally Optimal for society? Optimal for the Epstein class? Or do you mean optimal for the owner, personally, in the very short term? Because that's the choice people are making these days. It's not really "partisan political posturing" to divest from countries running pedo blackmail rings on the world, or arming genocide, or bombing hundreds of schools. Targeting journalists, then lying about them to try and justify it. Pulling the plug on incubators. Targeting entire families with shoddy AI. Bombing civilian power plants and ambulances and hospitals and so on and on. There's nothing partisan or posturing about saying "fuck all that". That's just your duty as a human being, the basic bare minimum. That duty doesn't get discarded just because you run a company or have evil competitors trying to race you to the bottom. When companies are complicit with committing heinous atrocities at scale, and screwing up the world economy for their own gain, I find very little 'merit' in that. Is 'meritocracy' a purely financial term in your view? Do 'respect for life' and 'trust' and other nebulous concepts (which don't immediately affect the balance sheet) have merit?
  - cbeach 7mo ago
    > Optimal for society? Optimal for the Epstein class? Or do you mean optimal for the owner No. Optimal for employees and customers, which is, in turn, optimal for society. Making technology choices based on political ideology rather than merit is bad for the interests of both employees and customers. The hyperbolic statements in your comment suggest your worldview comes from an online echo chamber. With respect, I think you'd benefit from consuming news from a variety of different sources. Think critically about the biases and agendas of the media. I suspect none of your favourite media sources mentioned the illegal cluster munitions that Iran used to destroy an Israeli kindergarten (among other civilian buildings) on Saturday: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-us-israel-war-updates-2026/card/YchAxtTyH42HAqxbUlsp https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-us-israel-war-updates-... War is an ugly business. Outcomes are rarely so pure that we can single out "good guys" and "bad guys". But hopefully once you've examined the facts objectively you'll see that the Israeli government is more ethical than Hamas, and you'll see that the American government (yes, even Orange Man Bad) is better than the Ayatollahs of Iran and their IRGC.
shofmn 7mo ago
This is just one example, but I think worth sharing: I've been running a new solution in beta for a while and am about to go commercial (Germany). In my solution, it's essential to keep personal data safe and ensuring the customer it's not shared with anybody else. I used Azure and AWS in the past, but stopped. Using only German data centers & services is a selling point for my customers and builds additional trust. Aside the initial effort, I don't see any big technological disadvantages for my use-case and actually pay less now for operating everything.