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Instantly signed up. I'm already moving most of my clients out of any US-based offering. Azure and Jira are sticky, but they'll be out sooner or later.

KellyCriterion 7mo ago
Ex-Colleagues are launching a startup right now: No US-Services from the beginning on, only OpenSource and this new EU-Office thingy. I think more companies will join the train? Esp new & smaller ones, for sure there is no option for bigCorp like ASML to be free of US-cloud, but maybe its gaining traction.
- polyamid23 7mo ago
  What new EU-Office thingy?
  - pimeys 7mo ago
    https://office.eu/ https://office.eu/
  - grsmvg 7mo ago
    Reading this interview and the comments doesn't really spark a lot of confidence in the product (in Dutch): https://tweakers.net/reviews/14562/nextcloud-met-een-strik-erom-hoe-uniek-is-microsoft-365-concurrent-office-eu.html https://tweakers.net/reviews/14562/nextcloud-met-een-strik-e... I paints the picture of it being mostly a hyped marketing wrapper around Nextcloud that hasn't even launched yet.
- gip 7mo ago
  Surprised by this take. Building a startup is already insanely hard. So I wouldn’t like to add more challenge by spending time integrating with non-US services if they are not top just because of my political views. I feel a better answer is for Europe to build real, competitive alternatives to US services.
  - tinodb 7mo ago
    So now you know how much it matter :)
  - cineticdaffodil 7mo ago
    The eu can not move and function in any capacity standalone. The moment the is dropped out the eu tried to fill that hole with the other allies atoll.
  - cbeach 7mo ago
    I love seeing companies set meritocracy aside for partisan political posturing. All people who run companies should relish their competition behaving sub-optimally.
    - Schmerika 7mo ago
      > sub-optimally Optimal for society? Optimal for the Epstein class? Or do you mean optimal for the owner, personally, in the very short term? Because that's the choice people are making these days. It's not really "partisan political posturing" to divest from countries running pedo blackmail rings on the world, or arming genocide, or bombing hundreds of schools. Targeting journalists, then lying about them to try and justify it. Pulling the plug on incubators. Targeting entire families with shoddy AI. Bombing civilian power plants and ambulances and hospitals and so on and on. There's nothing partisan or posturing about saying "fuck all that". That's just your duty as a human being, the basic bare minimum. That duty doesn't get discarded just because you run a company or have evil competitors trying to race you to the bottom. When companies are complicit with committing heinous atrocities at scale, and screwing up the world economy for their own gain, I find very little 'merit' in that. Is 'meritocracy' a purely financial term in your view? Do 'respect for life' and 'trust' and other nebulous concepts (which don't immediately affect the balance sheet) have merit?
      - cbeach 7mo ago
        > Optimal for society? Optimal for the Epstein class? Or do you mean optimal for the owner No. Optimal for employees and customers, which is, in turn, optimal for society. Making technology choices based on political ideology rather than merit is bad for the interests of both employees and customers. The hyperbolic statements in your comment suggest your worldview comes from an online echo chamber. With respect, I think you'd benefit from consuming news from a variety of different sources. Think critically about the biases and agendas of the media. I suspect none of your favourite media sources mentioned the illegal cluster munitions that Iran used to destroy an Israeli kindergarten (among other civilian buildings) on Saturday: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-us-israel-war-updates-2026/card/YchAxtTyH42HAqxbUlsp https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-us-israel-war-updates-... War is an ugly business. Outcomes are rarely so pure that we can single out "good guys" and "bad guys". But hopefully once you've examined the facts objectively you'll see that the Israeli government is more ethical than Hamas, and you'll see that the American government (yes, even Orange Man Bad) is better than the Ayatollahs of Iran and their IRGC.
SlightlyLeftPad 7mo ago
Good news, Atlassian is technically an Australian company.
- epolanski 7mo ago
  I don't think it is. I liked a simpler world we lived without having to worry or look where a company was from. But since this administration has started to threaten allies and keeps this nonsensical trade balance and tariffs argument (which never accounts for the very bulk of what US really exports: IT and financial services which are never included in the trade balance nonsense) you need to answer in some way. And with tensions rising staying on US services is becoming a strategic risk.
  - e2le 7mo ago
    > which never accounts for the very bulk of what US really exports: IT and financial services Given the growing demand to move away from US services and towards European alternatives, I wonder what the US will look like in 10 years if this move gains significant momentum.
- bdangubic 7mo ago
  they host theirs services/data in Tasmania?
- kakacik 7mo ago
  5-eyes, a bit tricky... but yeah anything that isnt a direct data pipeline to US gov and 3-letter agencies is a massive longterm win, in security and economy
beerws 7mo ago
I of course do not know your specific usage and requirements, but Berlin-based OpenProject might be a suitable and mature Jira-alternative for you - in addition to being outside US jurisdiction their services are available both on-prem/self-hosted and cloud-based. They even have a specific Jira-migration tool: https://www.openproject.org/docs/installation-and-operations/jira-migration/ https://www.openproject.org/docs/installation-and-operations...
tankenmate 7mo ago
Jira is Australian.

KellyCriterion 7mo ago

Ex-Colleagues are launching a startup right now: No US-Services from the beginning on, only OpenSource and this new EU-Office thingy. I think more companies will join the train? Esp new & smaller ones, for sure there is no option for bigCorp like ASML to be free of US-cloud, but maybe its gaining traction.

polyamid23 7mo ago
What new EU-Office thingy?
- pimeys 7mo ago
  https://office.eu/ https://office.eu/
- grsmvg 7mo ago
  Reading this interview and the comments doesn't really spark a lot of confidence in the product (in Dutch): https://tweakers.net/reviews/14562/nextcloud-met-een-strik-erom-hoe-uniek-is-microsoft-365-concurrent-office-eu.html https://tweakers.net/reviews/14562/nextcloud-met-een-strik-e... I paints the picture of it being mostly a hyped marketing wrapper around Nextcloud that hasn't even launched yet.
gip 7mo ago
Surprised by this take. Building a startup is already insanely hard. So I wouldn’t like to add more challenge by spending time integrating with non-US services if they are not top just because of my political views. I feel a better answer is for Europe to build real, competitive alternatives to US services.
- tinodb 7mo ago
  So now you know how much it matter :)
- cineticdaffodil 7mo ago
  The eu can not move and function in any capacity standalone. The moment the is dropped out the eu tried to fill that hole with the other allies atoll.
- cbeach 7mo ago
  I love seeing companies set meritocracy aside for partisan political posturing. All people who run companies should relish their competition behaving sub-optimally.
  - Schmerika 7mo ago
    > sub-optimally Optimal for society? Optimal for the Epstein class? Or do you mean optimal for the owner, personally, in the very short term? Because that's the choice people are making these days. It's not really "partisan political posturing" to divest from countries running pedo blackmail rings on the world, or arming genocide, or bombing hundreds of schools. Targeting journalists, then lying about them to try and justify it. Pulling the plug on incubators. Targeting entire families with shoddy AI. Bombing civilian power plants and ambulances and hospitals and so on and on. There's nothing partisan or posturing about saying "fuck all that". That's just your duty as a human being, the basic bare minimum. That duty doesn't get discarded just because you run a company or have evil competitors trying to race you to the bottom. When companies are complicit with committing heinous atrocities at scale, and screwing up the world economy for their own gain, I find very little 'merit' in that. Is 'meritocracy' a purely financial term in your view? Do 'respect for life' and 'trust' and other nebulous concepts (which don't immediately affect the balance sheet) have merit?
    - cbeach 7mo ago
      > Optimal for society? Optimal for the Epstein class? Or do you mean optimal for the owner No. Optimal for employees and customers, which is, in turn, optimal for society. Making technology choices based on political ideology rather than merit is bad for the interests of both employees and customers. The hyperbolic statements in your comment suggest your worldview comes from an online echo chamber. With respect, I think you'd benefit from consuming news from a variety of different sources. Think critically about the biases and agendas of the media. I suspect none of your favourite media sources mentioned the illegal cluster munitions that Iran used to destroy an Israeli kindergarten (among other civilian buildings) on Saturday: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-us-israel-war-updates-2026/card/YchAxtTyH42HAqxbUlsp https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-us-israel-war-updates-... War is an ugly business. Outcomes are rarely so pure that we can single out "good guys" and "bad guys". But hopefully once you've examined the facts objectively you'll see that the Israeli government is more ethical than Hamas, and you'll see that the American government (yes, even Orange Man Bad) is better than the Ayatollahs of Iran and their IRGC.

SlightlyLeftPad 7mo ago

Good news, Atlassian is technically an Australian company.

epolanski 7mo ago
I don't think it is. I liked a simpler world we lived without having to worry or look where a company was from. But since this administration has started to threaten allies and keeps this nonsensical trade balance and tariffs argument (which never accounts for the very bulk of what US really exports: IT and financial services which are never included in the trade balance nonsense) you need to answer in some way. And with tensions rising staying on US services is becoming a strategic risk.
- e2le 7mo ago
  > which never accounts for the very bulk of what US really exports: IT and financial services Given the growing demand to move away from US services and towards European alternatives, I wonder what the US will look like in 10 years if this move gains significant momentum.
bdangubic 7mo ago
they host theirs services/data in Tasmania?
kakacik 7mo ago
5-eyes, a bit tricky... but yeah anything that isnt a direct data pipeline to US gov and 3-letter agencies is a massive longterm win, in security and economy

beerws 7mo ago

I of course do not know your specific usage and requirements, but Berlin-based OpenProject might be a suitable and mature Jira-alternative for you - in addition to being outside US jurisdiction their services are available both on-prem/self-hosted and cloud-based. They even have a specific Jira-migration tool: https://www.openproject.org/docs/installation-and-operations/jira-migration/ https://www.openproject.org/docs/installation-and-operations...

tankenmate 7mo ago

Jira is Australian.