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search crawlers used to bring people TO your site llm boots are used to keep people OUT of your site, because knowledge is indexed and distributed by corporati

search crawlers used to bring people TO your site llm boots are used to keep people OUT of your site, because knowledge is indexed and distributed by corporations.

obsidianbases1 6mo ago
So if your site is dependent on ads, and since the only way for people to see those ads is coming to your site, then yes, you lose. If your site exists to share information, then the information gets disseminated, whether via LLM or some browser, it doesn't make a difference to me
- aarjaneiro 6mo ago
  You don't get attribution for your work if it merely feeds into it's training data
  - obsidianbases1 6mo ago
    That assumes the AI bots are scraping for training data and not simple retrieval/ RAG (which would likely provide attribution)
    - Forgeties79 6mo ago
      Oh come on. We know they’re doing both. They are scraping in morally/legally dubious ways as well as doing other things.
- lelanthran 6mo ago
  Those are not the only two options. Why are you presenting the latter option as if it were mainstream? It's such a small percentage of use cases that it probably isn't even a rounding error. People who want to disseminate information also want the credit. I'd still like to know why you are presenting this false dichotomy. What reason do you have for presenting a use case that has fractions of a percentage as if it were a standard use case? What is your motivation behind this?
  - obsidianbases1 6mo ago
    My only motivation is that it pains me to see smart capable people working on insignificant problems. Maybe I don't understand the problem as well as I should, and I'm open to hearing what it is you think that I'm missing. But from my perspective, this is a solution for a non-problem, which in my eyes is a problem itself.
    - lelanthran 6mo ago
      You misunderstand: I am asking what is your motivation for presenting a 0.0001% use case as a 50% use case. The use case you present is so small it can be ignored as an option, yet you present it as the only other option.
  - joquarky 6mo ago
    > People who want to disseminate information also want the credit. This is psychological projection.
    - lelanthran 6mo ago
      > This is psychological projection. You don't know what that means. In any case, people who want to disseminate information with credit can do so without standing up a blog (any place that allows posting of comments, such as Reddit, HN, etc). In the context of this discussion, we're talking about site owners; people who put up a blog.

search crawlers used to bring people TO your site llm boots are used to keep people OUT of your site, because knowledge is indexed and distributed by corporations.

obsidianbases1 6mo ago

So if your site is dependent on ads, and since the only way for people to see those ads is coming to your site, then yes, you lose. If your site exists to share information, then the information gets disseminated, whether via LLM or some browser, it doesn't make a difference to me

aarjaneiro 6mo ago
You don't get attribution for your work if it merely feeds into it's training data
- obsidianbases1 6mo ago
  That assumes the AI bots are scraping for training data and not simple retrieval/ RAG (which would likely provide attribution)
  - Forgeties79 6mo ago
    Oh come on. We know they’re doing both. They are scraping in morally/legally dubious ways as well as doing other things.
lelanthran 6mo ago
Those are not the only two options. Why are you presenting the latter option as if it were mainstream? It's such a small percentage of use cases that it probably isn't even a rounding error. People who want to disseminate information also want the credit. I'd still like to know why you are presenting this false dichotomy. What reason do you have for presenting a use case that has fractions of a percentage as if it were a standard use case? What is your motivation behind this?
- obsidianbases1 6mo ago
  My only motivation is that it pains me to see smart capable people working on insignificant problems. Maybe I don't understand the problem as well as I should, and I'm open to hearing what it is you think that I'm missing. But from my perspective, this is a solution for a non-problem, which in my eyes is a problem itself.
  - lelanthran 6mo ago
    You misunderstand: I am asking what is your motivation for presenting a 0.0001% use case as a 50% use case. The use case you present is so small it can be ignored as an option, yet you present it as the only other option.
- joquarky 6mo ago
  > People who want to disseminate information also want the credit. This is psychological projection.
  - lelanthran 6mo ago
    > This is psychological projection. You don't know what that means. In any case, people who want to disseminate information with credit can do so without standing up a blog (any place that allows posting of comments, such as Reddit, HN, etc). In the context of this discussion, we're talking about site owners; people who put up a blog.