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There is one thing to say here, USA wants the price to be high so it can throttle china.

by mo7061 6mo ago

bediger4000 6mo ago
Trump started the Iran war, apparently on a whim. There's no 4D chess going on here.
- deleted 6mo ago
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- bubbi 6mo ago
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- ajross 6mo ago
  High oil prices hurt the US economy much more than China anyway. We're vastly more dependent on shipping and transport and even more vastly less elastic with our fuel demand. The only US interests who would want this are domestic oil producers, who are a small fraction even of the Republican funding base.
- roenxi 6mo ago
  It is notable that the worlds major available oil reserves are now[0] in Venezuela, Canada, the US and Russia. Democracies are capable of playing 4D chess even if none of the people involved are up to the challenge. There are a lot of power centres that could stop Trump if they saw it as a problem for their interests; like Congress, some people in the administration or even a few people in CENTCOM (although they'd be more delaying the inevitable). That being said, unleashing this blow on Asia is insanely risky whether it is intentional or no. The Trump administration has a well-earned reputation for not being direct in their warmaking and the Asian's might decide not to go down without a fight. And the US is likely to get nothing but ill-will from the continent for the next generation. And I doubt Trump will politically survive the blows the US economy will take in the process of shredding the global oil market. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oi...
- vscode-rest 6mo ago
  The folks controlling Trump are far more adept plotters and schemers than you give them credit for.
  - atoav 6mo ago
    [citation needed]
  - wat10000 6mo ago
    Can you point to any good plots or schemes they’ve pulled off in the past? We’re starting our sixth year with this guy at the helm and so far it’s nothing but a cavalcade of stupid.
    - vscode-rest 6mo ago
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  - iAMkenough 6mo ago
    Trump is not controlled. He wanted this.
    - kccqzy 6mo ago
      He simply wanted a quick strike, not a war. He thought Iran would capitulate and not take any actions after the strike. His thinking did not even change. Just read this 2021 article about preventing Trump from starting a war with Iran: https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington/youre-gonna-have-a-fucking-war-mark-milleys-fight-to-stop-trump-from-striking-iran https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington... Trump is predictable. What he thought in 2021 was similar to what he thought in February 2026. > Trump did not want a war, the chairman believed, but he kept pushing for a missile strike in response to various provocations against U.S. interests in the region. Milley, by statute the senior military adviser to the President, was worried that Trump might set in motion a full-scale conflict that was not justified. Trump had a circle of Iran hawks around him and was close with the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who was also urging the Administration to act against Iran after it was clear that Trump had lost the election. “If you do this, you’re gonna have a fucking war,” Milley would say.
- mhh__ 6mo ago
  Surely started because of Israel. Maybe there was more back and forth but it really seems like the clique around trump are specifically in Bibi's pocket
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  - iAMkenough 6mo ago
    > are specifically in Bibi's pocket Being in his pocket means they owe him something. They don't. They make their own decisions, meant to be representative of the constiutents that did and did not vote for them. If they go against their consitutents wishes, that was their own decision to make. They are to blame.
    - nickvec 6mo ago
      > Being in his pocket means they owe him something. They don't. What makes you think that?
      - iAMkenough 6mo ago
        That's how I know the idiom. How did you interpret it?
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  - rsynnott 6mo ago
    I mean, Bibi's wanted to do something along these lines for decades. Trump is the one who said yes to it, and thus it is Trump's fault.
smt88 6mo ago
China is rapidly electrifying and gets a lot of energy from non-US coal. China also sells renewables to other countries. The US will be harmed far more than China by consistently high oil prices.
cosmicgadget 6mo ago
The obligatory "5d chess" comment despite all the evidence to the contrary.

There is one thing to say here, USA wants the price to be high so it can throttle china.

by mo7061 6mo ago

There is one thing to say here, USA wants the price to be high so it can throttle china.

bediger4000 6mo ago

Trump started the Iran war, apparently on a whim. There's no 4D chess going on here.

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bubbi 6mo ago
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ajross 6mo ago
High oil prices hurt the US economy much more than China anyway. We're vastly more dependent on shipping and transport and even more vastly less elastic with our fuel demand. The only US interests who would want this are domestic oil producers, who are a small fraction even of the Republican funding base.
roenxi 6mo ago
It is notable that the worlds major available oil reserves are now[0] in Venezuela, Canada, the US and Russia. Democracies are capable of playing 4D chess even if none of the people involved are up to the challenge. There are a lot of power centres that could stop Trump if they saw it as a problem for their interests; like Congress, some people in the administration or even a few people in CENTCOM (although they'd be more delaying the inevitable). That being said, unleashing this blow on Asia is insanely risky whether it is intentional or no. The Trump administration has a well-earned reputation for not being direct in their warmaking and the Asian's might decide not to go down without a fight. And the US is likely to get nothing but ill-will from the continent for the next generation. And I doubt Trump will politically survive the blows the US economy will take in the process of shredding the global oil market. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oi...
vscode-rest 6mo ago
The folks controlling Trump are far more adept plotters and schemers than you give them credit for.
- atoav 6mo ago
  [citation needed]
- wat10000 6mo ago
  Can you point to any good plots or schemes they’ve pulled off in the past? We’re starting our sixth year with this guy at the helm and so far it’s nothing but a cavalcade of stupid.
  - vscode-rest 6mo ago
    [dead]
- iAMkenough 6mo ago
  Trump is not controlled. He wanted this.
  - kccqzy 6mo ago
    He simply wanted a quick strike, not a war. He thought Iran would capitulate and not take any actions after the strike. His thinking did not even change. Just read this 2021 article about preventing Trump from starting a war with Iran: https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington/youre-gonna-have-a-fucking-war-mark-milleys-fight-to-stop-trump-from-striking-iran https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington... Trump is predictable. What he thought in 2021 was similar to what he thought in February 2026. > Trump did not want a war, the chairman believed, but he kept pushing for a missile strike in response to various provocations against U.S. interests in the region. Milley, by statute the senior military adviser to the President, was worried that Trump might set in motion a full-scale conflict that was not justified. Trump had a circle of Iran hawks around him and was close with the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who was also urging the Administration to act against Iran after it was clear that Trump had lost the election. “If you do this, you’re gonna have a fucking war,” Milley would say.
mhh__ 6mo ago
Surely started because of Israel. Maybe there was more back and forth but it really seems like the clique around trump are specifically in Bibi's pocket
- deleted 6mo ago
  [deleted]
- iAMkenough 6mo ago
  > are specifically in Bibi's pocket Being in his pocket means they owe him something. They don't. They make their own decisions, meant to be representative of the constiutents that did and did not vote for them. If they go against their consitutents wishes, that was their own decision to make. They are to blame.
  - nickvec 6mo ago
    > Being in his pocket means they owe him something. They don't. What makes you think that?
    - iAMkenough 6mo ago
      That's how I know the idiom. How did you interpret it?
- deleted 6mo ago
  [deleted]
- rsynnott 6mo ago
  I mean, Bibi's wanted to do something along these lines for decades. Trump is the one who said yes to it, and thus it is Trump's fault.

smt88 6mo ago

China is rapidly electrifying and gets a lot of energy from non-US coal. China also sells renewables to other countries. The US will be harmed far more than China by consistently high oil prices.

cosmicgadget 6mo ago

The obligatory "5d chess" comment despite all the evidence to the contrary.