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> genuinely don't know how to respond to this in good faith Not flagging, but also not upvoting. One, it’s an ambiguous archive link. Two, I’m not getting the

> genuinely don't know how to respond to this in good faith Not flagging, but also not upvoting. One, it’s an ambiguous archive link. Two, I’m not getting the sense that the source is unbiased [1]. For a contentious topic, I want to form my opinions—and hear those of fellow HN users—around rock-solid sourcing. > post is beyond political, its a humanitarian post If it’s not political, it’s irrelevant. Gawking at humanitarian disaster isn’t a popular pass-time outside narrow bands of the internet. If you’re posting it to effect change, it is political. That’s fine. But I’m also sceptical why this would be expected to change the balance of views on the wars in the region. IDF and Hamas—the former, probably due to resources, at larger scale than the latter—being horrible to captives is well established. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Eye https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Eye

Imustaskforhelp 8mo ago
> Not flagging, but also not upvoting. One, it’s an ambiguous archive link This wasn't the case with the previous post that I mentioned yet it got flagged ? . Two, I’m not getting the sense that the source is unbiased [1]. For a contentious topic, I want to form my opinions—and hear those of fellow HN users—around rock-solid sourcing. When the post had gotten flagged/ I had thought of giving another link like msn (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gaza-toddler-released-from-israeli-custody-with-suspected-torture-wounds/ar-AA1ZwgqF https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gaza-toddler-released-f...) and this is a bit more in-depth (https://www.msn.com/en-us/war-and-conflicts/military/palestinian-baby-released-from-israeli-jail-with-cigarette-burn-wounds/ar-AA1ZAh0B https://www.msn.com/en-us/war-and-conflicts/military/palesti...) But I found no articles as thorough as this one. I don't believe as to if anything is factually wrong Also oops, yea I had just the link of archive.org and not the proper link (https://web.archive.org/web/20260328122756/https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/gaza-toddler-released-israeli-custody-cigarette-burn-wounds https://web.archive.org/web/20260328122756/https://www.middl...) I am editing this for that, thank you for suggesting this! Edit: I can't edit the hackernews post, I am a bit sorry then to hackernews community for just sharing the archive.org link but I had accidentally pasted just the archive link instead, a bit sorry about that, perhaps moderators (if they wish) can change to this particular link or if someone wants to read it: https://web.archive.org/web/20260328122756/https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/gaza-toddler-released-israeli-custody-cigarette-burn-wounds https://web.archive.org/web/20260328122756/https://www.middl...
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  > I found no articles as thorough as this one. I don't believe as to if anything is factually wrong Did a physician ever evaluate the child? And were the neighbours’ accounts that the child was unharmed when handed over by the father to the IDF independently verified? Torturing a toddler wouldn’t be out of character for the IDF right now. But just because something is believable doesn’t mean it’s true. The fact that nobody else is reporting on this should be cause for pause.
  - gibbitz 8mo ago
    Did you investigate it? If someone posted that Claude code created a new language that was typesafe and 50% more efficient for LLM coding and 20% faster for a human to review without any details about the language, would you not look it up? No knock on you directly, just an observation about the attitude in our culture. If this is true a child was tortured, if it's false someone is lying and needs to be outed (with facts) so they are not trusted. Neither one is good but is no one looking into it?
    - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
      > Did you investigate it? Nope. Rejecting a source doesn’t mean I am obligated to investigate it. As I said, whether this is true or not doesn’t seem particularly politically relevant. It would be interesting to know. But purely for curiosity, not because I think it will have practical effects.
  - gibbitz 8mo ago
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-toddler-torture-idf-israel-detention-b2947167.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-to... There are details here including quotations from an unnamed doctor. If feel you can't trust the media credentials of the Independent, you could contact them for the identity of the unnamed doctor (who they are likely protecting based on the nature of the conflict) and ask them directly.
    - 8mo ago
dang 8mo ago
This subthread was originally in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47557437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47557437 before we merged the threads. (I mention this because otherwise the bit about archive links doesn't make sense.)
- _DeadFred_ 8mo ago
  Dang, can we post topical Ukrainian news stories now? Because it wasn't allowed for so long and all the strong wording around it not being allowed most people have probably given up, but it would be good to know if the seemingly new policy applies to all conflicts now or just Gaza/Iran seeing as you are now un-flaging conflict related threads.
  - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
    > it wasn't allowed for so long Ukraine has been my pet war for years now. I never got this sense. It just needed to have a novel technological or geostrategic angle to make the front page. "Russia is being evil" didn't usually meet that threshold because it's not news, just colouring in between the lines.

Imustaskforhelp 8mo ago

> Not flagging, but also not upvoting. One, it’s an ambiguous archive link This wasn't the case with the previous post that I mentioned yet it got flagged ? . Two, I’m not getting the sense that the source is unbiased [1]. For a contentious topic, I want to form my opinions—and hear those of fellow HN users—around rock-solid sourcing. When the post had gotten flagged/ I had thought of giving another link like msn (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gaza-toddler-released-from-israeli-custody-with-suspected-torture-wounds/ar-AA1ZwgqF https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gaza-toddler-released-f...) and this is a bit more in-depth (https://www.msn.com/en-us/war-and-conflicts/military/palestinian-baby-released-from-israeli-jail-with-cigarette-burn-wounds/ar-AA1ZAh0B https://www.msn.com/en-us/war-and-conflicts/military/palesti...) But I found no articles as thorough as this one. I don't believe as to if anything is factually wrong Also oops, yea I had just the link of archive.org and not the proper link (https://web.archive.org/web/20260328122756/https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/gaza-toddler-released-israeli-custody-cigarette-burn-wounds https://web.archive.org/web/20260328122756/https://www.middl...) I am editing this for that, thank you for suggesting this! Edit: I can't edit the hackernews post, I am a bit sorry then to hackernews community for just sharing the archive.org link but I had accidentally pasted just the archive link instead, a bit sorry about that, perhaps moderators (if they wish) can change to this particular link or if someone wants to read it: https://web.archive.org/web/20260328122756/https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/gaza-toddler-released-israeli-custody-cigarette-burn-wounds https://web.archive.org/web/20260328122756/https://www.middl...

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
> I found no articles as thorough as this one. I don't believe as to if anything is factually wrong Did a physician ever evaluate the child? And were the neighbours’ accounts that the child was unharmed when handed over by the father to the IDF independently verified? Torturing a toddler wouldn’t be out of character for the IDF right now. But just because something is believable doesn’t mean it’s true. The fact that nobody else is reporting on this should be cause for pause.
- gibbitz 8mo ago
  Did you investigate it? If someone posted that Claude code created a new language that was typesafe and 50% more efficient for LLM coding and 20% faster for a human to review without any details about the language, would you not look it up? No knock on you directly, just an observation about the attitude in our culture. If this is true a child was tortured, if it's false someone is lying and needs to be outed (with facts) so they are not trusted. Neither one is good but is no one looking into it?
  - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
    > Did you investigate it? Nope. Rejecting a source doesn’t mean I am obligated to investigate it. As I said, whether this is true or not doesn’t seem particularly politically relevant. It would be interesting to know. But purely for curiosity, not because I think it will have practical effects.
- gibbitz 8mo ago
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-toddler-torture-idf-israel-detention-b2947167.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-to... There are details here including quotations from an unnamed doctor. If feel you can't trust the media credentials of the Independent, you could contact them for the identity of the unnamed doctor (who they are likely protecting based on the nature of the conflict) and ask them directly.
  - 8mo ago

dang 8mo ago

This subthread was originally in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47557437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47557437 before we merged the threads. (I mention this because otherwise the bit about archive links doesn't make sense.)

_DeadFred_ 8mo ago
Dang, can we post topical Ukrainian news stories now? Because it wasn't allowed for so long and all the strong wording around it not being allowed most people have probably given up, but it would be good to know if the seemingly new policy applies to all conflicts now or just Gaza/Iran seeing as you are now un-flaging conflict related threads.
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  > it wasn't allowed for so long Ukraine has been my pet war for years now. I never got this sense. It just needed to have a novel technological or geostrategic angle to make the front page. "Russia is being evil" didn't usually meet that threshold because it's not news, just colouring in between the lines.