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The same way you distinguish between feeling like having a problem and actually having a problem.

by layer8 7mo ago

Forgeties79 7mo ago
This is needlessly flippant and not really the same thing. Determining progress in a therapy setting is usually a collaborative effort between the therapist and the client. An LLM is not a reliable agent to make that determination.
- layer8 7mo ago
  I didn’t claim that an LLM is that, and I fully agree that it is not. I’m saying that one is inherently one’s own judge of whether one has a problem. You go to a therapist when you feel you have a problem that warrants it. You stop going when you feel you don’t have it anymore. And OP is very likely assessing their progress in the same way. I wasn’t being flippant if the parent was asking a genuine question.
  - Forgeties79 7mo ago
    > I’m saying that one is inherently one’s own judge of whether one has a problem. You go to a therapist when you feel you have a problem that warrants it That is for certain types of therapy/clinical care. It is not always - and often isn’t - the case. Plenty of diagnoses and care protocols are not a matter of opinion or based on “you feeling there’s an issue” or deciding on your own there is no longer an issue.
- logifail 7mo ago
  > Determining progress in a therapy setting is usually a collaborative effort between the therapist and the client. An LLM is not a reliable agent to make that determination Can anyone describe how to determine how a (professional, human) therapist is "a reliable agent" to make such a determination?
  - Forgeties79 7mo ago
    If you want to call into question the entire field of behavioral health and the training that is involved then that is fine, but if that’s how you feel then this entire discussion is really about something different and I can’t bridge the gap here.
- mlrtime 7mo ago
  The thing they have in common is that they will both go forever.... Meaning neither the LLM or the licensed therapist will voluntarily say, you are healed, you don't need me anymore.
  - Forgeties79 7mo ago
    Because that’s not really how therapy works
    - logifail 7mo ago
      Is there a generally-agreed description of "how therapy works"?
      - Forgeties79 7mo ago
        Yes, the DSM-5

The same way you distinguish between feeling like having a problem and actually having a problem.

by layer8 7mo ago

The same way you distinguish between feeling like having a problem and actually having a problem.

This is needlessly flippant and not really the same thing. Determining progress in a therapy setting is usually a collaborative effort between the therapist and the client. An LLM is not a reliable agent to make that determination.

layer8 7mo ago
I didn’t claim that an LLM is that, and I fully agree that it is not. I’m saying that one is inherently one’s own judge of whether one has a problem. You go to a therapist when you feel you have a problem that warrants it. You stop going when you feel you don’t have it anymore. And OP is very likely assessing their progress in the same way. I wasn’t being flippant if the parent was asking a genuine question.
- Forgeties79 7mo ago
  > I’m saying that one is inherently one’s own judge of whether one has a problem. You go to a therapist when you feel you have a problem that warrants it That is for certain types of therapy/clinical care. It is not always - and often isn’t - the case. Plenty of diagnoses and care protocols are not a matter of opinion or based on “you feeling there’s an issue” or deciding on your own there is no longer an issue.
logifail 7mo ago
> Determining progress in a therapy setting is usually a collaborative effort between the therapist and the client. An LLM is not a reliable agent to make that determination Can anyone describe how to determine how a (professional, human) therapist is "a reliable agent" to make such a determination?
- Forgeties79 7mo ago
  If you want to call into question the entire field of behavioral health and the training that is involved then that is fine, but if that’s how you feel then this entire discussion is really about something different and I can’t bridge the gap here.
mlrtime 7mo ago
The thing they have in common is that they will both go forever.... Meaning neither the LLM or the licensed therapist will voluntarily say, you are healed, you don't need me anymore.
- Forgeties79 7mo ago
  Because that’s not really how therapy works
  - logifail 7mo ago
    Is there a generally-agreed description of "how therapy works"?
    - Forgeties79 7mo ago
      Yes, the DSM-5