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“AI is nicer than the average redditor” would be a more accurate title

mattmanser 7mo ago
I would say people on /r/amitheasshole are more biased towards the poster, i.e. nicer. There's plenty of those I've read where I thought it sounded like the poster was the asshole and the top replies were NTA.
- jjmarr 7mo ago
  r/AmItheAsshole is biased towards breaking off relationships rather than fixing them. They also hate social obligations. e.g. If the OP is asking "I ghosted my friend in AA who insulted me during a relapse", Reddit would say NTA in a heartbeat, while the real world would tell OP to be more forgiving. On the contrary, if the post was "the other kids at school refuse to play with my child", Reddit would say YTA because the child must've done something to incite being cut off.
  - ericd 7mo ago
    Absolutely. I wonder how many parents have been no contacted, SOs broken off with, friendships broken because of the Reddit hivemind's attitude. Pretty sure it's doing a huge amount of societal damage.
    - jjmarr 7mo ago
      I wouldn't blame reddit, it's what you get when you ask several thousand teenagers to give collective relationship advice.
      - tbossanova 7mo ago
        “I got divorced based on advice from complete strangers on the internet, AITA?”
    - wiseowise 7mo ago
      Is it hivemind or just people being generally aware better of toxicity in their lives?
  - wiseowise 7mo ago
    > e.g. If the OP is asking "I ghosted my friend in AA who insulted me during a relapse", Reddit would say NTA in a heartbeat, while the real world would tell OP to be more forgiving. That’s a nuanced discussion. It depends on what you value most, not what “real world” tells you. Most of the time Reddit would be right, because you need to prioritize yourself instead of continuing toxic relationships.
    - mlrtime 7mo ago
      1) Reddit is horrible at nuance, almost non existent in some subs. 2) The toxicity is being defined by reddit to give the advice which is mostly wrong as outlined above. If OPs had a understanding of what they valued and what is toxic, they probably wouldn't need a advice from biased readers [biased in the sense that they're on that sub].
      - wiseowise 7mo ago
        That’s true, but they still might be right for wrong reasons.
- rurp 7mo ago
  Yeah every single time I click on one of those posts the top comments are NTA. A couple times I tried randomly opening a few dozen posts and checking the top comments to see if I could find a single YTA and struck out. Granted many of the OPs are very biased in the poster's favor. Most I've read fall into one of two buckets: either they want to gripe about some obviously bad behavior, or it's a controved and likely fake story.
  - mlrtime 7mo ago
    The problem with any of these is that they are so incredibly biased towards the author's frame of reality (understandably so). Who among us are able to 1) Understand a 2nd persons view of a issue we're in and 2) have the ability/courage to write it in a post seeking advice. My point is that the author will specifically frame the problem clearly on their side. Occasionally redditors will seek additional questions but rarely.
- yieldcrv 7mo ago
  It’s gendered, by the way Many of the posts are A/B tests of a prior post where only the genders were flipped of the OP and antagonist to see how the consensus also flips
52-6F-62 7mo ago
Pretty sure the average Redditor is AI now.
- lotsofpulp 7mo ago
  How the hell is a study on stanford.edu assuming posts on Reddit are genuine? That should be enough to get you kicked out of Stanford.
  - helpfulclippy 7mo ago
    Though interestingly, the observed difference in assessment suggests (though does not prove) that sampled AITA posters are not one of these models. I guess it’s possible they have a very different prompt though…
  - zvqcMMV6Zcr 7mo ago
    If it is the AITA subreddit (or one of many similar ones) it might not be that bad. It is after all dedicated to outrage farming, so there will be many human responses. It is just the original posts that are all baits, and it doesn't really matter if they are made by LLMs or as a creative writing exercise.
yard2010 7mo ago
IMHO it's not about being nice. AITA threads show an interesting phenomenon of social consensus, I think the authors wanted to show that the LLMs they checked don't have that.
- ianbutler 7mo ago
  I don't think Reddit is a great place to determine social consensus for well adjusted people or representative of the average adult view. I never see people on Reddit have opinions of any the people I consider reasonable in real life and I don't mean politics I wouldn't know, I don't frequent political subreddits. It seems fairly consistently miserable in any of the common high traffic subs and you have to get down to really niche communities to see what I consider reasonable behavior that matches the behavior of people I know in real life.
  - strken 7mo ago
    The AITA social consensus is a specific kind of groupthink which differs from nearly everyone I know in real life. I assumed yard2010 meant the specific AITA social consensus and not general human agreement. Even the premise of deciding who's right and who's wrong is miserable. Most problems are like those daisy-chains of padlocks you see on gates in remote areas[0]: there are multiple factors that caused the problem, and removing any factor would remove the problem too. [0] https://www.flickr.com/photos/72793939@N00/51117212748 https://www.flickr.com/photos/72793939@N00/51117212748
  - bear141 7mo ago
    I don’t think I’ve read a Reddit thread in the last few years that didn’t devolve into politics on the highest upvoted comments fairly quickly.
brikym 7mo ago
Is it the _average_ redditor? The most upvoted would be even worse.

I would say people on /r/amitheasshole are more biased towards the poster, i.e. nicer. There's plenty of those I've read where I thought it sounded like the poster was the asshole and the top replies were NTA.

jjmarr 7mo ago
r/AmItheAsshole is biased towards breaking off relationships rather than fixing them. They also hate social obligations. e.g. If the OP is asking "I ghosted my friend in AA who insulted me during a relapse", Reddit would say NTA in a heartbeat, while the real world would tell OP to be more forgiving. On the contrary, if the post was "the other kids at school refuse to play with my child", Reddit would say YTA because the child must've done something to incite being cut off.
- ericd 7mo ago
  Absolutely. I wonder how many parents have been no contacted, SOs broken off with, friendships broken because of the Reddit hivemind's attitude. Pretty sure it's doing a huge amount of societal damage.
  - jjmarr 7mo ago
    I wouldn't blame reddit, it's what you get when you ask several thousand teenagers to give collective relationship advice.
    - tbossanova 7mo ago
      “I got divorced based on advice from complete strangers on the internet, AITA?”
  - wiseowise 7mo ago
    Is it hivemind or just people being generally aware better of toxicity in their lives?
- wiseowise 7mo ago
  > e.g. If the OP is asking "I ghosted my friend in AA who insulted me during a relapse", Reddit would say NTA in a heartbeat, while the real world would tell OP to be more forgiving. That’s a nuanced discussion. It depends on what you value most, not what “real world” tells you. Most of the time Reddit would be right, because you need to prioritize yourself instead of continuing toxic relationships.
  - mlrtime 7mo ago
    1) Reddit is horrible at nuance, almost non existent in some subs. 2) The toxicity is being defined by reddit to give the advice which is mostly wrong as outlined above. If OPs had a understanding of what they valued and what is toxic, they probably wouldn't need a advice from biased readers [biased in the sense that they're on that sub].
    - wiseowise 7mo ago
      That’s true, but they still might be right for wrong reasons.
rurp 7mo ago
Yeah every single time I click on one of those posts the top comments are NTA. A couple times I tried randomly opening a few dozen posts and checking the top comments to see if I could find a single YTA and struck out. Granted many of the OPs are very biased in the poster's favor. Most I've read fall into one of two buckets: either they want to gripe about some obviously bad behavior, or it's a controved and likely fake story.
- mlrtime 7mo ago
  The problem with any of these is that they are so incredibly biased towards the author's frame of reality (understandably so). Who among us are able to 1) Understand a 2nd persons view of a issue we're in and 2) have the ability/courage to write it in a post seeking advice. My point is that the author will specifically frame the problem clearly on their side. Occasionally redditors will seek additional questions but rarely.
yieldcrv 7mo ago
It’s gendered, by the way Many of the posts are A/B tests of a prior post where only the genders were flipped of the OP and antagonist to see how the consensus also flips

52-6F-62 7mo ago

Pretty sure the average Redditor is AI now.

lotsofpulp 7mo ago
How the hell is a study on stanford.edu assuming posts on Reddit are genuine? That should be enough to get you kicked out of Stanford.
- helpfulclippy 7mo ago
  Though interestingly, the observed difference in assessment suggests (though does not prove) that sampled AITA posters are not one of these models. I guess it’s possible they have a very different prompt though…
- zvqcMMV6Zcr 7mo ago
  If it is the AITA subreddit (or one of many similar ones) it might not be that bad. It is after all dedicated to outrage farming, so there will be many human responses. It is just the original posts that are all baits, and it doesn't really matter if they are made by LLMs or as a creative writing exercise.

yard2010 7mo ago

IMHO it's not about being nice. AITA threads show an interesting phenomenon of social consensus, I think the authors wanted to show that the LLMs they checked don't have that.

ianbutler 7mo ago
I don't think Reddit is a great place to determine social consensus for well adjusted people or representative of the average adult view. I never see people on Reddit have opinions of any the people I consider reasonable in real life and I don't mean politics I wouldn't know, I don't frequent political subreddits. It seems fairly consistently miserable in any of the common high traffic subs and you have to get down to really niche communities to see what I consider reasonable behavior that matches the behavior of people I know in real life.
- strken 7mo ago
  The AITA social consensus is a specific kind of groupthink which differs from nearly everyone I know in real life. I assumed yard2010 meant the specific AITA social consensus and not general human agreement. Even the premise of deciding who's right and who's wrong is miserable. Most problems are like those daisy-chains of padlocks you see on gates in remote areas[0]: there are multiple factors that caused the problem, and removing any factor would remove the problem too. [0] https://www.flickr.com/photos/72793939@N00/51117212748 https://www.flickr.com/photos/72793939@N00/51117212748
- bear141 7mo ago
  I don’t think I’ve read a Reddit thread in the last few years that didn’t devolve into politics on the highest upvoted comments fairly quickly.

brikym 7mo ago

Is it the _average_ redditor? The most upvoted would be even worse.