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I'm calling FUD. The service the article is talking about is Windows Ads in Apps: http://advertising.microsoft.com/ads-in-apps http://advertising.microsoft.co

by j_baker 14y ago

I'm calling FUD. The service the article is talking about is Windows Ads in Apps: http://advertising.microsoft.com/ads-in-apps http://advertising.microsoft.com/ads-in-apps It certainly is a way for Microsoft to make more advertising revenue in the same way that iAds does the same for Apple, AdMob does for Android, and AdSense does for Google Search. The only novel thing I see here is that the ads are for desktop apps.

tomkin 14y ago
You'll probably be downvoted for that comment. I reached the same conclusion, but for whatever reason, this will be different for X reason. Something along the lines of "but we don't pay for iOS". Which is a great argument if you don't care about user experience. It's shameful all around, really.
- barista 14y ago
  Actually as an app developer I see this as a huge monetization opportunity to me. With a huge installed base of Windows, if I get my app running on some those with the ads powering my app? It's a mouth watering proposition.
- shinratdr 14y ago
  Here is the x reason, in case you're in curious: Name the Apple-developed app, bundled with iOS or Mac OS X that also uses iAds. Exactly.
lelandbatey 14y ago
Indeed. I don't like desktop apps containing ads, but this is exactly what was predicted to happen with the shift to Metro. Metro, just like iOS and Android, needed a universal way to have ads in apps. This means that Metro apps running on the desktop can contain adds. It's the existing mobile sphere coming together with the desktop world, and is just a side effect of the introduction of Metro.
gergles 14y ago
No, this isn't talking about a service. It's talking about apps that come with the system, that can't be removed, that have advertising in them. None of the apps that come with iOS use iAds. Same with Android.
- bostonvaulter2 14y ago
  Which Windows 8 built-in apps have ads?
  - benjarrell 14y ago
    News, weather, sports, and stocks are the ones I've noticed.
- benjarrell 14y ago
  They do come with the system, but you can uninstall them.
- deleted 14y ago
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- dpark 14y ago
  > It's talking about apps that come with the system, that can't be removed They can be removed and it's up to the OEM whether they come with the system. I don't recall if a clean install gives you the option to opt out of these apps or not, though.
  - The_Egg_Man 14y ago
    I uninstalled a bunch of them when I did a fresh install of Windows 8, so you can uninstall them from a clean install.
    - dpark 14y ago
      For sure you can uninstall them if you choose. I meant that I don't recall if you can opt out of them entirely during a clean install, as in they never get installed at all. A "no apps" Windows install.
recoiledsnake 14y ago
I am getting tired of the extremely slanted coverage of Windows 8 on HN. The stories about them selling four million upgrades in 4 days[1] or the web traffic from Windows 8 machines surpassing all of Android in 10 days in the so called post-PC world [2] don't make it to the front page(and will get flagged if they do), but such manufactured outrage or the doom and gloom about how it will fail has no such problem. Wake me up when they actually use users' personal data like Ubuntu is doing or if the ads are part of the OS like in Explorer, not the silly News app. [1] http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/30/3576512/windows-8-upgrade-sales-four-million http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/30/3576512/windows-8-upgrade... [2] http://www.techspot.com/news/50745-statcounter-data-says-windows-8-has-overtaken-android-in-web-traffic.html http://www.techspot.com/news/50745-statcounter-data-says-win...
- wcchandler 14y ago
  > use users' personal data like Ubuntu is doing Please don't spread lies.
  - cooldeal 14y ago
    Your local file search keywords are not your personal data?
    - 18pfsmt 14y ago
      Oh look, it's recoiledsnake and cooldeal... I don't mean to be rude, but you all show up in any thread related to Microsoft defending anything and everything they do. It gets old, and while I can understand it seems HN is against MSFT, there is no conspiracy. My current industry is obsessed with .Net, I use a dumb phone still, and I don't have any horse in the race specifically, but I truly feel these discussions get turned into gadget blog-like flamewars by the likes of you. I simply don't understand why 'you' seem to care about this topic so much. Personally, I'm contemplating my first 'smartphone' and I would like to understand the trade-offs( it looks like custom Android ROM at the moment), but reading obviously biased comments from either side just makes me sad. Edit: I don't think any of these $100B industries needs help defending themselves, and if anyone discussing the topic is compensated for their contribution it would be nice to have some disclosure.

by j_baker 14y ago

tomkin 14y ago

You'll probably be downvoted for that comment. I reached the same conclusion, but for whatever reason, this will be different for X reason. Something along the lines of "but we don't pay for iOS". Which is a great argument if you don't care about user experience. It's shameful all around, really.

barista 14y ago
Actually as an app developer I see this as a huge monetization opportunity to me. With a huge installed base of Windows, if I get my app running on some those with the ads powering my app? It's a mouth watering proposition.
shinratdr 14y ago
Here is the x reason, in case you're in curious: Name the Apple-developed app, bundled with iOS or Mac OS X that also uses iAds. Exactly.

lelandbatey 14y ago

Indeed. I don't like desktop apps containing ads, but this is exactly what was predicted to happen with the shift to Metro. Metro, just like iOS and Android, needed a universal way to have ads in apps. This means that Metro apps running on the desktop can contain adds. It's the existing mobile sphere coming together with the desktop world, and is just a side effect of the introduction of Metro.

gergles 14y ago

No, this isn't talking about a service. It's talking about apps that come with the system, that can't be removed, that have advertising in them. None of the apps that come with iOS use iAds. Same with Android.

bostonvaulter2 14y ago
Which Windows 8 built-in apps have ads?
- benjarrell 14y ago
  News, weather, sports, and stocks are the ones I've noticed.
benjarrell 14y ago
They do come with the system, but you can uninstall them.
deleted 14y ago
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dpark 14y ago
> It's talking about apps that come with the system, that can't be removed They can be removed and it's up to the OEM whether they come with the system. I don't recall if a clean install gives you the option to opt out of these apps or not, though.
- The_Egg_Man 14y ago
  I uninstalled a bunch of them when I did a fresh install of Windows 8, so you can uninstall them from a clean install.
  - dpark 14y ago
    For sure you can uninstall them if you choose. I meant that I don't recall if you can opt out of them entirely during a clean install, as in they never get installed at all. A "no apps" Windows install.

recoiledsnake 14y ago

I am getting tired of the extremely slanted coverage of Windows 8 on HN. The stories about them selling four million upgrades in 4 days[1] or the web traffic from Windows 8 machines surpassing all of Android in 10 days in the so called post-PC world [2] don't make it to the front page(and will get flagged if they do), but such manufactured outrage or the doom and gloom about how it will fail has no such problem. Wake me up when they actually use users' personal data like Ubuntu is doing or if the ads are part of the OS like in Explorer, not the silly News app. [1] http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/30/3576512/windows-8-upgrade-sales-four-million http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/30/3576512/windows-8-upgrade... [2] http://www.techspot.com/news/50745-statcounter-data-says-windows-8-has-overtaken-android-in-web-traffic.html http://www.techspot.com/news/50745-statcounter-data-says-win...

wcchandler 14y ago
> use users' personal data like Ubuntu is doing Please don't spread lies.
- cooldeal 14y ago
  Your local file search keywords are not your personal data?
  - 18pfsmt 14y ago
    Oh look, it's recoiledsnake and cooldeal... I don't mean to be rude, but you all show up in any thread related to Microsoft defending anything and everything they do. It gets old, and while I can understand it seems HN is against MSFT, there is no conspiracy. My current industry is obsessed with .Net, I use a dumb phone still, and I don't have any horse in the race specifically, but I truly feel these discussions get turned into gadget blog-like flamewars by the likes of you. I simply don't understand why 'you' seem to care about this topic so much. Personally, I'm contemplating my first 'smartphone' and I would like to understand the trade-offs( it looks like custom Android ROM at the moment), but reading obviously biased comments from either side just makes me sad. Edit: I don't think any of these $100B industries needs help defending themselves, and if anyone discussing the topic is compensated for their contribution it would be nice to have some disclosure.