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>"The claims that the IDF abused a toddler are completely unfounded and serve Hamas propaganda." The spokesperson said. >"On the contrary: The toddler was brou

>"The claims that the IDF abused a toddler are completely unfounded and serve Hamas propaganda." The spokesperson said. >"On the contrary: The toddler was brought by a Hamas operative into a dangerous area to be used as a human shield. Same old denials as usual, aren't they getting tired? These spokespersons don't know anything, their only job is to deny that anything happened. Which does work a lot if there are no witnesses or video. Same deal with the ambulances or journalists like Shireen Abu Akleh. Deny. Deflect. Gaslight. Obfuscate. And if irrefutable evidence emerges, they deserved it. Weaponised narcissism by a country.

burnt-resistor 7mo ago
Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender (DARVO). Apropos: 'Iran and Gaza Are ONLY THE BEGINNING' (Chris Hedges at Princeton) March 2026 https://youtu.be/TV9dkU2E8j0 https://youtu.be/TV9dkU2E8j0
- Hikikomori 7mo ago
  Well that was depressing. While I already held these opinions I had some hope that what I believed wasn't true, because I didn't like what that would say about the us. A lot of people are going to have their 'are we the baddies?' moment in the near future.
SilverElfin 7mo ago
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amazingman 7mo ago
Are you claiming the Hamas does not use the entire civilian population under their rule as human shields? I hope not, because that reality is obvious. It's not merely individuals, either: it's policy. (Before responding with rhetoric in the other direction, please note that I have not taken a position on Israel here.)
- Hikikomori 7mo ago
  Where would they go where there isn't civilians that isn't just target practice for Israel? But let's flip it, Israel does it, like outting a military HQ in a mall. It's just an excuse used by Israel to obliterate any building they want. Hamas shot some missile from there 10 minute's ago (why would they stay around?), so they send a bomb that takes out the block. Any civilians were just human shields anyway.
  - Sabinus 7mo ago
    There are places in Gaza that are agricultural and suitable for rocket launches. It's not residential blocks from fence to fence. Hamas is motivated to damage Israel's international reputation as much as possible. (Not that Netanyahu isn't helping with that). Deliberately launching from civilian areas then condemning Israeli retaliation is in alignment with Hamas rethoric and incentives. If a Hamas rocket hit civilian areas nearby the Israeli military HQ and Hamas said it was the target, then it would be a militarily justified launch.
    - Hikikomori 7mo ago
      So target practice then? US managed to use ground forces against the Taliban without leveling the city. So you do think Hamas stay around after launching a rocket? As it would take quite a few minutes for Israel to determine launch location, get a plane in the air and drop it on that location. Then they use block leveling bombs rather than a smaller precision bomb. Do you think the lies and denial for the buried ambulances case or the killing of journalists like Shireen Abu Akleh were just one off cases?
      - Sabinus 7mo ago
        >So target practice then? No, it's likely retaliation with a military excuse. >US managed to use ground forces against the Taliban without leveling the city. Not in Raqqa or parts of Mosul. Dense urban fighting produces major destruction. Neither was Afghanistan a sealed, prepared, hyper-dense urban enclave. The Taliban largely withdrew from key cities rather than making their last stand inside them. If you check the state department reports [1], neither did the USA use troops to assault entrenched Taliban positions. It was bombing, and then local proxy infantry. >So you do think Hamas stay around after launching a rocket? Probably not. But the alternative is Israel just intercepting rockets with no retaliation which is unrealistic. >Then they use block levelling bombs rather than a smaller precision bomb. They use a variety of munitions with varying sizes and precision. >Do you think the lies and denial for the buried ambulances case or the killing of journalists like Shireen Abu Akleh were just one off cases? I think many Israelis have been radicalised (like the Palestinians) and several army commanders are perpetrating war crimes and atrocities. I don't think their system directs or encourages it, but it certainly doesn't do enough to prevent it. The fog of war, deference to people on the ground, the bullshit the radicalised commanders feed upward, and the political cover from the extremism of the Israeli cabinet cause the system to defend the atrocities. Although, sometimes, when the case is very obviously unjust, Israelis are held to account. [1] https://2009-2017.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2001/html/10262.htm https://2009-2017.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2001/html/10262.htm

burnt-resistor 7mo ago

Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender (DARVO). Apropos: 'Iran and Gaza Are ONLY THE BEGINNING' (Chris Hedges at Princeton) March 2026 https://youtu.be/TV9dkU2E8j0 https://youtu.be/TV9dkU2E8j0

Hikikomori 7mo ago
Well that was depressing. While I already held these opinions I had some hope that what I believed wasn't true, because I didn't like what that would say about the us. A lot of people are going to have their 'are we the baddies?' moment in the near future.

SilverElfin 7mo ago

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amazingman 7mo ago

Are you claiming the Hamas does not use the entire civilian population under their rule as human shields? I hope not, because that reality is obvious. It's not merely individuals, either: it's policy. (Before responding with rhetoric in the other direction, please note that I have not taken a position on Israel here.)

Hikikomori 7mo ago
Where would they go where there isn't civilians that isn't just target practice for Israel? But let's flip it, Israel does it, like outting a military HQ in a mall. It's just an excuse used by Israel to obliterate any building they want. Hamas shot some missile from there 10 minute's ago (why would they stay around?), so they send a bomb that takes out the block. Any civilians were just human shields anyway.
- Sabinus 7mo ago
  There are places in Gaza that are agricultural and suitable for rocket launches. It's not residential blocks from fence to fence. Hamas is motivated to damage Israel's international reputation as much as possible. (Not that Netanyahu isn't helping with that). Deliberately launching from civilian areas then condemning Israeli retaliation is in alignment with Hamas rethoric and incentives. If a Hamas rocket hit civilian areas nearby the Israeli military HQ and Hamas said it was the target, then it would be a militarily justified launch.
  - Hikikomori 7mo ago
    So target practice then? US managed to use ground forces against the Taliban without leveling the city. So you do think Hamas stay around after launching a rocket? As it would take quite a few minutes for Israel to determine launch location, get a plane in the air and drop it on that location. Then they use block leveling bombs rather than a smaller precision bomb. Do you think the lies and denial for the buried ambulances case or the killing of journalists like Shireen Abu Akleh were just one off cases?
    - Sabinus 7mo ago
      >So target practice then? No, it's likely retaliation with a military excuse. >US managed to use ground forces against the Taliban without leveling the city. Not in Raqqa or parts of Mosul. Dense urban fighting produces major destruction. Neither was Afghanistan a sealed, prepared, hyper-dense urban enclave. The Taliban largely withdrew from key cities rather than making their last stand inside them. If you check the state department reports [1], neither did the USA use troops to assault entrenched Taliban positions. It was bombing, and then local proxy infantry. >So you do think Hamas stay around after launching a rocket? Probably not. But the alternative is Israel just intercepting rockets with no retaliation which is unrealistic. >Then they use block levelling bombs rather than a smaller precision bomb. They use a variety of munitions with varying sizes and precision. >Do you think the lies and denial for the buried ambulances case or the killing of journalists like Shireen Abu Akleh were just one off cases? I think many Israelis have been radicalised (like the Palestinians) and several army commanders are perpetrating war crimes and atrocities. I don't think their system directs or encourages it, but it certainly doesn't do enough to prevent it. The fog of war, deference to people on the ground, the bullshit the radicalised commanders feed upward, and the political cover from the extremism of the Israeli cabinet cause the system to defend the atrocities. Although, sometimes, when the case is very obviously unjust, Israelis are held to account. [1] https://2009-2017.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2001/html/10262.htm https://2009-2017.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2001/html/10262.htm