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Not only a rounded rectangle isn't narrow enough, but it is also an obvious shape for a tablet.

by esolyt 14y ago

grecy 14y ago
> it is also an obvious shape for a tablet. Only n the same way a coke bottle is an obvious shape for a soda bottle, and a BMW is an obvious shape for a car. Hindsight is 20/20.
- trhtrsh 14y ago
  It's a rounded rectangle. Let's take our time machine back to 1981: http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Round_Rects_Are_Everywhere.txt http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story... """ Steve suddenly got more intense. "Rectangles with rounded corners are everywhere! Just look around this room!". And sure enough, there were lots of them, like the whiteboard and some of the desks and tables. Then he pointed out the window. "And look outside, there's even more, practically everywhere you look!". He even persuaded Bill to take a quick walk around the block with him, pointing out every rectangle with rounded corners that he could find. """
- incision 14y ago
  Bad argument made worse with terrible analogies. Rounded rectangle "portable display devices" are hardly new [1]. 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipboard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipboard
- esolyt 14y ago
  I agree. Especially with the "hindsight" part. http://www.worldwidestore.com/images/full_size/41611.jpg http://www.worldwidestore.com/images/full_size/41611.jpg
- subsection1h 14y ago
  It's obvious, no 20/20 hindsight required. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS#PADD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS#PADD
  - Zenst 14y ago
    Indeed, I do wonder if Hollywood had focused more on filing IP patents instead of complaining about protecting there margins then they would of been better of. Now if somebody could only patent taking an idea from a movie or TV series and applying in real life. Then put that in the public domain, well, it would be interesting for the public at least with regards to being able to apply common sence with a hint of health and safty. Not like we have square eye's and retro displays were rectangular with rounded corners.
  - pazimzadeh 14y ago
    If it is that obvious, then what happened here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tablet_PC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tablet_PC The flat black rounded rectangle is pretty unique to Apple: Macbook Pro: http://images.apple.com/macbook-pro/images/overview_display_hero.png http://images.apple.com/macbook-pro/images/overview_display_... iMac: http://images.apple.com/imac/images/osx.jpg http://images.apple.com/imac/images/osx.jpg iPad: http://images.apple.com/ipad/features/images/camera_improvements.jpg http://images.apple.com/ipad/features/images/camera_improvem... Samsung Galaxy Tab: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41yoP5hk0ML._SL500_AA300_.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41yoP5hk0ML._SL500_AA3... Microsoft Surface: http://www.winsupersite.com/content/content/143472/01.jpg http://www.winsupersite.com/content/content/143472/01.jpg Notice how the PADD does not really fit in here. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple goes after Microsoft about the Surface design if the new tablets take off in the market, because Apple and Microsoft's patent cross-licensing agreement explicitly prohibit "cloning." http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1292505/584.pdf http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1292505/584.pdf --edit-- I understand that you may not agree with me as these are just things to think about, but I would really love an actual response rather than a down vote.
Einherji 14y ago
That does not mean that this is a patent for a rounded rectangle, although it's a catchy thing to say such a patent would never be granted(even to apple). The whole point is that if another device managed to have the same dimensions and the exact same curvature it might be considered to infringe on this patent. That is however very unlikely unless, as the comment at the top states, the manufacturers of said device were actually trying to copy the ipad design.
- incision 14y ago
  >The whole point is that if another device managed to have the same dimensions and the exact same curvature it might be considered to infringe on this patent. Infringing on an incredibly broad patent for a rather obvious shape is an easy thing to do. >That is however very unlikely unless, as the comment at the top states, the manufacturers of said device were actually trying to copy the ipad design. Rectangles, rounded or otherwise in the 4:3 to 5:4 range have been around forever. Clipboards, US Letter (paper), 4D / 6R / 8R / 12R (photo printing) to name a few. The good old Galaxy Tab finds itself in that same crowded company above in terms of specific size, but closer to something like A4 paper, a Passport or the rounded rectangle of the common credit card in terms of ratio. There's nothing novel about the absolute size or ratio of an iPad.

Not only a rounded rectangle isn't narrow enough, but it is also an obvious shape for a tablet.

by esolyt 14y ago

Not only a rounded rectangle isn't narrow enough, but it is also an obvious shape for a tablet.

grecy 14y ago

> it is also an obvious shape for a tablet. Only n the same way a coke bottle is an obvious shape for a soda bottle, and a BMW is an obvious shape for a car. Hindsight is 20/20.

trhtrsh 14y ago
It's a rounded rectangle. Let's take our time machine back to 1981: http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Round_Rects_Are_Everywhere.txt http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story... """ Steve suddenly got more intense. "Rectangles with rounded corners are everywhere! Just look around this room!". And sure enough, there were lots of them, like the whiteboard and some of the desks and tables. Then he pointed out the window. "And look outside, there's even more, practically everywhere you look!". He even persuaded Bill to take a quick walk around the block with him, pointing out every rectangle with rounded corners that he could find. """
incision 14y ago
Bad argument made worse with terrible analogies. Rounded rectangle "portable display devices" are hardly new [1]. 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipboard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipboard
esolyt 14y ago
I agree. Especially with the "hindsight" part. http://www.worldwidestore.com/images/full_size/41611.jpg http://www.worldwidestore.com/images/full_size/41611.jpg
subsection1h 14y ago
It's obvious, no 20/20 hindsight required. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS#PADD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS#PADD
- Zenst 14y ago
  Indeed, I do wonder if Hollywood had focused more on filing IP patents instead of complaining about protecting there margins then they would of been better of. Now if somebody could only patent taking an idea from a movie or TV series and applying in real life. Then put that in the public domain, well, it would be interesting for the public at least with regards to being able to apply common sence with a hint of health and safty. Not like we have square eye's and retro displays were rectangular with rounded corners.
- pazimzadeh 14y ago
  If it is that obvious, then what happened here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tablet_PC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tablet_PC The flat black rounded rectangle is pretty unique to Apple: Macbook Pro: http://images.apple.com/macbook-pro/images/overview_display_hero.png http://images.apple.com/macbook-pro/images/overview_display_... iMac: http://images.apple.com/imac/images/osx.jpg http://images.apple.com/imac/images/osx.jpg iPad: http://images.apple.com/ipad/features/images/camera_improvements.jpg http://images.apple.com/ipad/features/images/camera_improvem... Samsung Galaxy Tab: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41yoP5hk0ML._SL500_AA300_.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41yoP5hk0ML._SL500_AA3... Microsoft Surface: http://www.winsupersite.com/content/content/143472/01.jpg http://www.winsupersite.com/content/content/143472/01.jpg Notice how the PADD does not really fit in here. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple goes after Microsoft about the Surface design if the new tablets take off in the market, because Apple and Microsoft's patent cross-licensing agreement explicitly prohibit "cloning." http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1292505/584.pdf http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1292505/584.pdf --edit-- I understand that you may not agree with me as these are just things to think about, but I would really love an actual response rather than a down vote.

Einherji 14y ago

That does not mean that this is a patent for a rounded rectangle, although it's a catchy thing to say such a patent would never be granted(even to apple). The whole point is that if another device managed to have the same dimensions and the exact same curvature it might be considered to infringe on this patent. That is however very unlikely unless, as the comment at the top states, the manufacturers of said device were actually trying to copy the ipad design.

incision 14y ago
>The whole point is that if another device managed to have the same dimensions and the exact same curvature it might be considered to infringe on this patent. Infringing on an incredibly broad patent for a rather obvious shape is an easy thing to do. >That is however very unlikely unless, as the comment at the top states, the manufacturers of said device were actually trying to copy the ipad design. Rectangles, rounded or otherwise in the 4:3 to 5:4 range have been around forever. Clipboards, US Letter (paper), 4D / 6R / 8R / 12R (photo printing) to name a few. The good old Galaxy Tab finds itself in that same crowded company above in terms of specific size, but closer to something like A4 paper, a Passport or the rounded rectangle of the common credit card in terms of ratio. There's nothing novel about the absolute size or ratio of an iPad.