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> I cannot buy an iPhone without creating an apple account You can both buy and use an iPhone without creating an Apple account. You are limited to the built-i

> I cannot buy an iPhone without creating an apple account You can both buy and use an iPhone without creating an Apple account. You are limited to the built-in apps, but those built-in apps cover most common use-cases. Most people wouldn't want to do this, of course. But you can.

debazel 7mo ago
> cover most common use-cases. It absolutely does not.
- asutekku 7mo ago
  Most common use cases (bar social media): - Navigating - Emailing - Texting - Browsing internet All this is available without an account.
  - debazel 7mo ago
    Most common use cases are social media, messaging (WhatsApp, Messanger, Telegram, no one is using SMS anymore), ID apps, payment and banking apps. You could skip social media, but without the others you would basically have to carry around a second phone or be severely handicapped just trying to live a normal life. Beside all of that, the idea that a $1000 iPhone is usable without an account because you can SMS and check emails is laughable disingenuous.
culopatin 7mo ago
I know the logic on what I’m about to say is not that tight, but… For some reason, creating an account with Apple doesn’t feel like opening a can of worms like it does with Microsoft. I know exactly what I’m getting when I open the one with Apple, and I have visibility into it from the settings of every device, feels secure and I never get emails or spam associated to it. The Microsoft account is another story. It’s a black box, I don’t know what they are collecting, I know that even if it looks like a square today, it’ll be a hexagon tomorrow, and a triangle the next day. They’ll change the product name, merge with some other crap, etc. to access it, you’ll have to remember what the service was when you created it. Live? Hotmail? Outlook? Are they the same as my windows account? Who knows. It’s just not trust worthy IME. I don’t have an issue with creating an account, I have an issue not knowing why I need it or what I get from it.

debazel 7mo ago

> cover most common use-cases. It absolutely does not.

asutekku 7mo ago
Most common use cases (bar social media): - Navigating - Emailing - Texting - Browsing internet All this is available without an account.
- debazel 7mo ago
  Most common use cases are social media, messaging (WhatsApp, Messanger, Telegram, no one is using SMS anymore), ID apps, payment and banking apps. You could skip social media, but without the others you would basically have to carry around a second phone or be severely handicapped just trying to live a normal life. Beside all of that, the idea that a $1000 iPhone is usable without an account because you can SMS and check emails is laughable disingenuous.

culopatin 7mo ago

I know the logic on what I’m about to say is not that tight, but… For some reason, creating an account with Apple doesn’t feel like opening a can of worms like it does with Microsoft. I know exactly what I’m getting when I open the one with Apple, and I have visibility into it from the settings of every device, feels secure and I never get emails or spam associated to it. The Microsoft account is another story. It’s a black box, I don’t know what they are collecting, I know that even if it looks like a square today, it’ll be a hexagon tomorrow, and a triangle the next day. They’ll change the product name, merge with some other crap, etc. to access it, you’ll have to remember what the service was when you created it. Live? Hotmail? Outlook? Are they the same as my windows account? Who knows. It’s just not trust worthy IME. I don’t have an issue with creating an account, I have an issue not knowing why I need it or what I get from it.