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I would encourage anyone reading this thread to expand the greyed-out comments. There's honestly something really sinister going on here which goes way beyond o

by karim79 7mo ago

I would encourage anyone reading this thread to expand the greyed-out comments. There's honestly something really sinister going on here which goes way beyond opinion. There's also some sort of branching strategy happening to cut off points which criticise the wanted fugitive Bibi Netanyahu. The genocidal former furniture salesman who will kill anyone and everyone to avoid his corruption charges.

CommanderData 7mo ago
Everyone person in the world is suffering right now and is financially worse off because of Bibi. In the UK at least, the media is working overtime to blur the blame elsewhere.
kubb 7mo ago
There was a post about astroturfing a while ago. One theory is that the talking points are seeded by a set of paid supporters on platforms like Twitter, Facebook and Reddit. These people live in low income countries and can use LLM + broad directional instructions to mass produce comments in support of the regime. The talking points that are successful are then reinforced by genuine regime admirers, enter the canon and spread. There’s no verification mechanism for bad or wrong ideas, since we’re in a post truth society. The goal is to uphold the regime. The system trying to be stable and defend itself from the fallout of its actions. The actions are actually guided by an ideology plus personal interests, so they can’t be optimal.
- alsetmusic 7mo ago
  The Israeli military has a division to shape public opinion on social media. https://zeteo.com/p/israel-documentary-social-media https://zeteo.com/p/israel-documentary-social-media https://studies.aljazeera.net/en/analyses/digital-occupation-pixelated-propaganda-censored-platforms-and-battle-narrative-gaza https://studies.aljazeera.net/en/analyses/digital-occupation...
  - jameshilliard 7mo ago
    > https://studies.aljazeera.net/en/analyses/digital-occupation-pixelated-propaganda-censored-platforms-and-battle-narrative-gaza https://studies.aljazeera.net/en/analyses/digital-occupation... I'm not sure citing a Qatari propaganda site with a well documented history of employing members of terrorist organizations as "journalists" is helping make your point.
    - karim79 7mo ago
      Let's the the documents you're speaking of (and not those fake IDF spreadsheets which list some of them as being Hamas members when they were 6 or 7 years old). Also please justify all of this: List of journalists killed in the Gaza war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_the_Gaza_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_...
      - alsetmusic 7mo ago
        Bari Weiss's CBS said a journalist who was killed was someone they worked with or some stupid shit when they were clearly a colleague or possibly more. I don't remember enough to be more specific, but that type of minimalism is rampant. Israel kills journalists and civilians. Oh shit, civilian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie
    - fc417fc802 7mo ago
      And here I thought aljazeera was a respectable journalistic outfit. They certainly seem to be doing better than most of the corporate US media by my estimate. Perhaps you should back up your mud slinging?
      - jameshilliard 7mo ago
        > And here I thought aljazeera was a respectable journalistic outfit. While they may do some legitimate journalism they are well known for highly biased articles especially when it comes to anything relating to the middle east. > They certainly seem to be doing better than most of the corporate US media by my estimate. In what way? News organizations in the US like CNN certainly have higher standards than aljazeera. > Perhaps you should back up your mud slinging? Journalists who did work for aljazeera even held hostages in Gaza[0]. [0] https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-805525 https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-805525
jameshilliard 7mo ago
> I would encourage anyone reading this thread to expand the greyed-out comments. There's honestly something really sinister going on here which goes way beyond opinion. There is widespread support in Israel for degrading the Islamic Regime, for rather obvious reasons[0]. I think the evidence tying Bibi's corruption trial to his decision to go to war with Iran is rather weak, especially since Bibi has clearly wanted to go to war against Iran with US support well before the corruption investigation even got started. > There's also some sort of branching strategy happening to cut off points which criticise the wanted fugitive Bibi Netanyahu. You seem to be referring here to the ICC investigation(since Bibi is quite obviously not a fugitive from the Israeli police). The ICC's jurisdiction is highly questionable among other issues. > The genocidal former furniture salesman who will kill anyone and everyone to avoid his corruption charges. The corruption charges are not brought by the ICC at all, they originate from an Israeli police investigation and have much more legitimacy than the rather dubious ICC investigation. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Iranian_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Irani...
- karim79 7mo ago
  I know the difference between the ICC warrant for Bibi for genocide and the corruption charges he faces at home. > Rather dubious ICC investigation Listen to yourself for a moment.
  - fc417fc802 7mo ago
    Also perhaps take the time to pull up a list of those investigated by the ICC in the past. It's not what I'd describe as good company.
    - karim79 7mo ago
      Exactly. We know that the ICC was basically designed to throw arrest warrants at people who the west does not like. (Mostly Asian, African or more generally brown people). It's baffling how Netanyahu is, what, likeable somehow? USA, Germany and the UK spring to mind. I can't imagine him being good company. And I'm really happy that at least one EU country will arrest his ugly ass (Spain) and that his airspace is getting evermore compromised for fear of being arrested. Which he will be, eventually.

by karim79 7mo ago

CommanderData 7mo ago

Everyone person in the world is suffering right now and is financially worse off because of Bibi. In the UK at least, the media is working overtime to blur the blame elsewhere.

kubb 7mo ago

There was a post about astroturfing a while ago. One theory is that the talking points are seeded by a set of paid supporters on platforms like Twitter, Facebook and Reddit. These people live in low income countries and can use LLM + broad directional instructions to mass produce comments in support of the regime. The talking points that are successful are then reinforced by genuine regime admirers, enter the canon and spread. There’s no verification mechanism for bad or wrong ideas, since we’re in a post truth society. The goal is to uphold the regime. The system trying to be stable and defend itself from the fallout of its actions. The actions are actually guided by an ideology plus personal interests, so they can’t be optimal.

alsetmusic 7mo ago
The Israeli military has a division to shape public opinion on social media. https://zeteo.com/p/israel-documentary-social-media https://zeteo.com/p/israel-documentary-social-media https://studies.aljazeera.net/en/analyses/digital-occupation-pixelated-propaganda-censored-platforms-and-battle-narrative-gaza https://studies.aljazeera.net/en/analyses/digital-occupation...
- jameshilliard 7mo ago
  > https://studies.aljazeera.net/en/analyses/digital-occupation-pixelated-propaganda-censored-platforms-and-battle-narrative-gaza https://studies.aljazeera.net/en/analyses/digital-occupation... I'm not sure citing a Qatari propaganda site with a well documented history of employing members of terrorist organizations as "journalists" is helping make your point.
  - karim79 7mo ago
    Let's the the documents you're speaking of (and not those fake IDF spreadsheets which list some of them as being Hamas members when they were 6 or 7 years old). Also please justify all of this: List of journalists killed in the Gaza war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_the_Gaza_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_...
    - alsetmusic 7mo ago
      Bari Weiss's CBS said a journalist who was killed was someone they worked with or some stupid shit when they were clearly a colleague or possibly more. I don't remember enough to be more specific, but that type of minimalism is rampant. Israel kills journalists and civilians. Oh shit, civilian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie
  - fc417fc802 7mo ago
    And here I thought aljazeera was a respectable journalistic outfit. They certainly seem to be doing better than most of the corporate US media by my estimate. Perhaps you should back up your mud slinging?
    - jameshilliard 7mo ago
      > And here I thought aljazeera was a respectable journalistic outfit. While they may do some legitimate journalism they are well known for highly biased articles especially when it comes to anything relating to the middle east. > They certainly seem to be doing better than most of the corporate US media by my estimate. In what way? News organizations in the US like CNN certainly have higher standards than aljazeera. > Perhaps you should back up your mud slinging? Journalists who did work for aljazeera even held hostages in Gaza[0]. [0] https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-805525 https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-805525

jameshilliard 7mo ago

> I would encourage anyone reading this thread to expand the greyed-out comments. There's honestly something really sinister going on here which goes way beyond opinion. There is widespread support in Israel for degrading the Islamic Regime, for rather obvious reasons[0]. I think the evidence tying Bibi's corruption trial to his decision to go to war with Iran is rather weak, especially since Bibi has clearly wanted to go to war against Iran with US support well before the corruption investigation even got started. > There's also some sort of branching strategy happening to cut off points which criticise the wanted fugitive Bibi Netanyahu. You seem to be referring here to the ICC investigation(since Bibi is quite obviously not a fugitive from the Israeli police). The ICC's jurisdiction is highly questionable among other issues. > The genocidal former furniture salesman who will kill anyone and everyone to avoid his corruption charges. The corruption charges are not brought by the ICC at all, they originate from an Israeli police investigation and have much more legitimacy than the rather dubious ICC investigation. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Iranian_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Irani...

karim79 7mo ago
I know the difference between the ICC warrant for Bibi for genocide and the corruption charges he faces at home. > Rather dubious ICC investigation Listen to yourself for a moment.
- fc417fc802 7mo ago
  Also perhaps take the time to pull up a list of those investigated by the ICC in the past. It's not what I'd describe as good company.
  - karim79 7mo ago
    Exactly. We know that the ICC was basically designed to throw arrest warrants at people who the west does not like. (Mostly Asian, African or more generally brown people). It's baffling how Netanyahu is, what, likeable somehow? USA, Germany and the UK spring to mind. I can't imagine him being good company. And I'm really happy that at least one EU country will arrest his ugly ass (Spain) and that his airspace is getting evermore compromised for fear of being arrested. Which he will be, eventually.