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I don't think that is really true though. People aren't becoming addicted to grocery stores, ice cream parlours and restaurants, or even cable television to nea

I don't think that is really true though. People aren't becoming addicted to grocery stores, ice cream parlours and restaurants, or even cable television to nearly (any?) degree. None of those are engineered to addict you in nearly the same degree or magnitude.

jen20 7mo ago
> or even cable television to nearly (any?) degree 24-hour commercial cable news (in the US) is the original sin of addictive media.
- slopinthebag 7mo ago
  I'm not seeing any signs of addiction even within an order of magnitude of social media.
  - jen20 7mo ago
    Probably not looking in the right places then. The over 50s are a prime candidate (also for Facebook addiction, but largely reposting nonsense from cable news).
twoodfin 7mo ago
What the best evidence that otherwise psychologically healthy people are becoming clinically addicted to social media? People used to spend an awful lot of mindless time watching TV. They weren’t “addicted” in a clinically meaningful sense.
- slopinthebag 7mo ago
  I haven't seen anybody making any claims about social media usage leading to clinically meaningful addiction. So why are you asking for evidence of that? Also fwiw I'm not in favour of regulating social media, but I am in favour of bringing lawsuits to companies who engage in societally harmful behaviour, and punishing them financially.
  - twoodfin 7mo ago
    So what the heck are we talking about ITT? “I’m so addicted to Firefly!” That kind of thing?
    - slopinthebag 7mo ago
      No. It's been established that social media use can produce addiction-like behaviors, that it uses mechanisms similar to gambling and substance addiction, and that a subset of people experience significant impairment as a result of social media consumption. It's still debated if it should be classified as a form of Substance Use Disorder, which is what the term "clinically meaningful" refers to, but the debate is more a matter of classification and semantics, not if the issue exists at all. And not what people are referring to in the context of this case and discussion. If you're interested in the topic further, you could consider reading 'Toward the classification of social media use disorder: Clinical characterization and proposed diagnostic criteria', which should shine some more light on what people are referring to as "addiction" in this circumstance :) If you're interested in the neuroscience, consider reading "Neurobiological risk factors for problematic social media use as a specific form of Internet addiction: A narrative review".
      - twoodfin 7mo ago
        Ah. “Can produce addiction-like behaviors”! Like, I dunno, really getting into running or yoga or fantasy football? Where is the line, according to experts in addiction-like behavior?
        slopinthebag 7mo ago
        Believe it or not, you might find the answer to that question inside the paper I shared with you called "Toward the classification of social media use disorder: Clinical characterization and proposed diagnostic criteria". https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352853225000215 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S235285322...

jen20 7mo ago

> or even cable television to nearly (any?) degree 24-hour commercial cable news (in the US) is the original sin of addictive media.

slopinthebag 7mo ago
I'm not seeing any signs of addiction even within an order of magnitude of social media.
- jen20 7mo ago
  Probably not looking in the right places then. The over 50s are a prime candidate (also for Facebook addiction, but largely reposting nonsense from cable news).

twoodfin 7mo ago

What the best evidence that otherwise psychologically healthy people are becoming clinically addicted to social media? People used to spend an awful lot of mindless time watching TV. They weren’t “addicted” in a clinically meaningful sense.

slopinthebag 7mo ago
I haven't seen anybody making any claims about social media usage leading to clinically meaningful addiction. So why are you asking for evidence of that? Also fwiw I'm not in favour of regulating social media, but I am in favour of bringing lawsuits to companies who engage in societally harmful behaviour, and punishing them financially.
- twoodfin 7mo ago
  So what the heck are we talking about ITT? “I’m so addicted to Firefly!” That kind of thing?
  - slopinthebag 7mo ago
    No. It's been established that social media use can produce addiction-like behaviors, that it uses mechanisms similar to gambling and substance addiction, and that a subset of people experience significant impairment as a result of social media consumption. It's still debated if it should be classified as a form of Substance Use Disorder, which is what the term "clinically meaningful" refers to, but the debate is more a matter of classification and semantics, not if the issue exists at all. And not what people are referring to in the context of this case and discussion. If you're interested in the topic further, you could consider reading 'Toward the classification of social media use disorder: Clinical characterization and proposed diagnostic criteria', which should shine some more light on what people are referring to as "addiction" in this circumstance :) If you're interested in the neuroscience, consider reading "Neurobiological risk factors for problematic social media use as a specific form of Internet addiction: A narrative review".
    - twoodfin 7mo ago
      Ah. “Can produce addiction-like behaviors”! Like, I dunno, really getting into running or yoga or fantasy football? Where is the line, according to experts in addiction-like behavior?
      - slopinthebag 7mo ago
        Believe it or not, you might find the answer to that question inside the paper I shared with you called "Toward the classification of social media use disorder: Clinical characterization and proposed diagnostic criteria". https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352853225000215 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S235285322...