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What is "bad faith" here? I'd love to see an explanation.

unethical_ban 7mo ago
Acting like most people who advocate getting away from fossil fuels desire a global economic collapse rather than an intentional, well thought and executed transition.
- userbinator 7mo ago
  The point is that it's impossible without huge suffering which people would rather not have.
  - unethical_ban 7mo ago
    I do not believe that is true. Solar and EV technology are advancing rapidly, and with investment in grid infrastructure and incentives for generators to go renewable we could be along with Europe and China in reducing FF dependence for power. Instead the current administration is actively sabotaging the US position on renewable energy.
  - array_key_first 7mo ago
    It is absolutely not impossible to transition away from fossil fuels without suffering. Fossil fuels aren't risk-free. Even if you don't care about CO2, fossil fuels are extremely inefficient in the long run because they're not renewable. Once you extract them and burn them, they're gone, forever. This IS NOT the case with renewable energy, which means that, as time goes on, renewables will be much cheaper than fossil fuels. Already, today, solar is much cheaper than petroleum per unit of energy. In addition, every country on Earth can make use of renewables. Most countries cannot use fossil fuels directly, because they don't have them. This means they expose themselves to geopolitical risk. Exhibit A: this. If the transition is done slowly, you end up saving money, not losing it. That means less suffering, not more.
- brigandish 7mo ago
  I see you have a response from the person accused of acting in bad faith, and whether you agree or not (which you have done), it is reasonable, as was your disagreement. It was not bad faith, whatever that is, and it was not a straw man.
platevoltage 7mo ago
People who want the world to get off fossil fuels want to transition off them as other forms of energy became viable, and work towards that goal. They didn't want 2 madmen to bomb a country right next to an important waterway over some religious nonsense. You know this, and that's why it's bad faith.
- brigandish 7mo ago
  > You know this, and that's why it's bad faith. Try to remain calm and not make personal remarks.
  - platevoltage 7mo ago
    I did not insult anyone who will ever read this, but yes, now is the time for decorum when discussing the US government.

Acting like most people who advocate getting away from fossil fuels desire a global economic collapse rather than an intentional, well thought and executed transition.

userbinator 7mo ago
The point is that it's impossible without huge suffering which people would rather not have.
- unethical_ban 7mo ago
  I do not believe that is true. Solar and EV technology are advancing rapidly, and with investment in grid infrastructure and incentives for generators to go renewable we could be along with Europe and China in reducing FF dependence for power. Instead the current administration is actively sabotaging the US position on renewable energy.
- array_key_first 7mo ago
  It is absolutely not impossible to transition away from fossil fuels without suffering. Fossil fuels aren't risk-free. Even if you don't care about CO2, fossil fuels are extremely inefficient in the long run because they're not renewable. Once you extract them and burn them, they're gone, forever. This IS NOT the case with renewable energy, which means that, as time goes on, renewables will be much cheaper than fossil fuels. Already, today, solar is much cheaper than petroleum per unit of energy. In addition, every country on Earth can make use of renewables. Most countries cannot use fossil fuels directly, because they don't have them. This means they expose themselves to geopolitical risk. Exhibit A: this. If the transition is done slowly, you end up saving money, not losing it. That means less suffering, not more.
brigandish 7mo ago
I see you have a response from the person accused of acting in bad faith, and whether you agree or not (which you have done), it is reasonable, as was your disagreement. It was not bad faith, whatever that is, and it was not a straw man.

platevoltage 7mo ago

People who want the world to get off fossil fuels want to transition off them as other forms of energy became viable, and work towards that goal. They didn't want 2 madmen to bomb a country right next to an important waterway over some religious nonsense. You know this, and that's why it's bad faith.

brigandish 7mo ago
> You know this, and that's why it's bad faith. Try to remain calm and not make personal remarks.
- platevoltage 7mo ago
  I did not insult anyone who will ever read this, but yes, now is the time for decorum when discussing the US government.