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The people of the US were converted into functional Putin-subservient Russians for the last election, and the media environment is not getting better, and in fa

The people of the US were converted into functional Putin-subservient Russians for the last election, and the media environment is not getting better, and in fact seems to be getting much worse. However there is revolt amongst a good chunk of the fractured coalition that barely brought Trump into office. Trump's Epstein coverup and sheltering of Ghislaine Maxwell took off the shine with a large number of people. The ghastly behavior around the deaths of major figures takes off more. Exempting producers of the pesticide glyphosate has taken off most of the MAHA coalition. And then, of course the wars, when he promised not to launch any and accused his opponent of doing exactly what he's currently doing... It remains to be seen just how permanent this is, and whether the post-Trump US can be reattached to reality instead of reality TV, but I use hope.

ToucanLoucan 7mo ago
Unfortunately that leaves us with the Democrats who have shown time and again that they are unwilling or unable to confront this movement for what it is. I'm frankly far more concerned that the Republicans lose next election, and we get Democrats in power who then prioritize "getting back to normal" and once again utterly failing to hold accountable the utter BUFFET of mediocre wannabe dictators who brought us to the brink already. I also hope. But I'd be lying if I said I thought it was rational.
- Avicebron 7mo ago
  The real fear is that they don't solve any of the problems that caused this in the first place... it's not about some vindictive punishment, it's about solving the problem.
  - nyc_data_geek1 7mo ago
    I beg to differ, as I see it, it's both. Solving the problem necessarily entails punishing the malicious actors attempting to subvert and demolish our governance, justice system, society and way of life. Allowing Jan 6th to go unpunished at the highest levels was a key factor in what brought us here.
    - Avicebron 7mo ago
      > demolish our governance, justice system, society and way of life "Our" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. There were many "ours" whose ways of life, governance, and society were destroyed on the road to making the Jan 6th thing possible..
      - nyc_data_geek1 7mo ago
        That's true, I was referring to the United States.
parineum 7mo ago
>The people of the US were converted into functional Putin-subservient Russians It's crazy that you continue to push this narrative despite the entire "Russia-Gate" thing turning out to total bullshit oppo followed by Trump being currently at war with one of Putin's allies and having jailed another. The evidence supporting this claim is what, he wasn't nice to Zelenskyy that one time (despite still financially supporting Ukraine in their war against Russia)?
- fooster 7mo ago
  The Russians certainly did interfere in the 2016 election. It was not bullshit.
  - parineum 7mo ago
    Define "interfere". Be specific.
    - the_why_of_y 7mo ago
      https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu...

ToucanLoucan 7mo ago

Unfortunately that leaves us with the Democrats who have shown time and again that they are unwilling or unable to confront this movement for what it is. I'm frankly far more concerned that the Republicans lose next election, and we get Democrats in power who then prioritize "getting back to normal" and once again utterly failing to hold accountable the utter BUFFET of mediocre wannabe dictators who brought us to the brink already. I also hope. But I'd be lying if I said I thought it was rational.

Avicebron 7mo ago
The real fear is that they don't solve any of the problems that caused this in the first place... it's not about some vindictive punishment, it's about solving the problem.
- nyc_data_geek1 7mo ago
  I beg to differ, as I see it, it's both. Solving the problem necessarily entails punishing the malicious actors attempting to subvert and demolish our governance, justice system, society and way of life. Allowing Jan 6th to go unpunished at the highest levels was a key factor in what brought us here.
  - Avicebron 7mo ago
    > demolish our governance, justice system, society and way of life "Our" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. There were many "ours" whose ways of life, governance, and society were destroyed on the road to making the Jan 6th thing possible..
    - nyc_data_geek1 7mo ago
      That's true, I was referring to the United States.

parineum 7mo ago

>The people of the US were converted into functional Putin-subservient Russians It's crazy that you continue to push this narrative despite the entire "Russia-Gate" thing turning out to total bullshit oppo followed by Trump being currently at war with one of Putin's allies and having jailed another. The evidence supporting this claim is what, he wasn't nice to Zelenskyy that one time (despite still financially supporting Ukraine in their war against Russia)?

fooster 7mo ago
The Russians certainly did interfere in the 2016 election. It was not bullshit.
- parineum 7mo ago
  Define "interfere". Be specific.
  - the_why_of_y 7mo ago
    https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu...