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When Louis Rossmann started describing tech leadership as having a "rapist mentality" I brushed him off as being sensationalist. But actions like this make me t

When Louis Rossmann started describing tech leadership as having a "rapist mentality" I brushed him off as being sensationalist. But actions like this make me think more and more he's right. The product managers pushing for changes like this are despicable scum.

doubled112 7mo ago
Even the way modern software phrases questions is rapey. Imagine a man asking a woman “want to have sex? Or maybe later?” out of the blue, then asking her again every 3 days until she says “yes”
- chuckadams 7mo ago
  Something like "tea and consent": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ Yeah, it ain't sex, but it does still come down to basic respect.
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- ChadNauseam 7mo ago
  The situation you describe has dynamics that don't apply when your windows laptop is trying to get you to install an update. A woman can't have 100% confidence that saying no won't trigger a man into rage, so just the question being asked at all is already a bit unpleasant. WinRAR trying to get me to buy a license is not as offensive because I know it won't beat me up for saying no.
  - doubled112 7mo ago
    Of course. Claiming this is a 1:1 would be wrong. However, do you think people accept Microsoft backup because they want a backup? Or do you think they click yes because it makes the popup go away for good? Wearing me down until I say yes isn’t the same as just yes. It’s the same dark pattern for the 10-11 upgrade. My father in law managed to upgrade by accident because it kept popping up. He didn’t really make an informed choice for himself. One day he just couldn’t figure out why everything was different.
kingstnap 7mo ago
There is this distinct lack of giving a shit about the user that you see coming through in a lot of big tech nowadays. Take this extremely simple example about antenna pod. I can change the order and what buttons show up in the app nav bar. For example I can remove the "home" button or put other things there instead like playback history. This is a small minor point of the bigger picture. Yet there is this distinct sense in which when using that app I don't feel like I'm beholden to some chain of management in some company deciding they get to decide what I get to do. Like its almost unthinkable that the YouTube app let you remove shorts or reorder the navigation bar and decide what you wanted to have there.

doubled112 7mo ago

Even the way modern software phrases questions is rapey. Imagine a man asking a woman “want to have sex? Or maybe later?” out of the blue, then asking her again every 3 days until she says “yes”

chuckadams 7mo ago
Something like "tea and consent": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ Yeah, it ain't sex, but it does still come down to basic respect.
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ChadNauseam 7mo ago
The situation you describe has dynamics that don't apply when your windows laptop is trying to get you to install an update. A woman can't have 100% confidence that saying no won't trigger a man into rage, so just the question being asked at all is already a bit unpleasant. WinRAR trying to get me to buy a license is not as offensive because I know it won't beat me up for saying no.
- doubled112 7mo ago
  Of course. Claiming this is a 1:1 would be wrong. However, do you think people accept Microsoft backup because they want a backup? Or do you think they click yes because it makes the popup go away for good? Wearing me down until I say yes isn’t the same as just yes. It’s the same dark pattern for the 10-11 upgrade. My father in law managed to upgrade by accident because it kept popping up. He didn’t really make an informed choice for himself. One day he just couldn’t figure out why everything was different.

kingstnap 7mo ago

There is this distinct lack of giving a shit about the user that you see coming through in a lot of big tech nowadays. Take this extremely simple example about antenna pod. I can change the order and what buttons show up in the app nav bar. For example I can remove the "home" button or put other things there instead like playback history. This is a small minor point of the bigger picture. Yet there is this distinct sense in which when using that app I don't feel like I'm beholden to some chain of management in some company deciding they get to decide what I get to do. Like its almost unthinkable that the YouTube app let you remove shorts or reorder the navigation bar and decide what you wanted to have there.