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Glad to see Talos Linux there! Another interesting, though less radical take on an immutable container OS is IncusOS. Made by the same people behind LXC: https

Glad to see Talos Linux there! Another interesting, though less radical take on an immutable container OS is IncusOS. Made by the same people behind LXC: https://github.com/lxc/incus-os https://github.com/lxc/incus-os I wish the article's NixOS section had mentioned impermanence features which can be used to make NixOS actually immutable: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Impermanence https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Impermanence

JustinGarrison 7mo ago
I work at Sidero, but I'm glad that wasn't obvious from the article because I'm trying to be fair. I heard about Impermanence right after I gave the talk so I'm looking into it.
- evanjrowley 7mo ago
  Good luck! Talos Linux seems like an amazing project. I wish Sidero much success.
dizhn 7mo ago
I am not really interested in an immutable desktop OS but that incus OS sounds interesting. I use Proxmox and if prox were to be immutable I wouldn't mind that.
- evanjrowley 7mo ago
  I totally agree with the idea of replacing Proxmox with something more immutable. IncusOS seems like a strong contender. I've also considered installing Proxmox with ZFS Boot Menu to get a rollback capability. I'd need to figure out how to properly manage state when multiple storage providers are in use. Like for example, what would happen if the pool for VMs had newer data than the root snapshot I roll back to? Even with the answer, obviously the overall theme is Proxmox is not designed to operate this way.
dindresto 7mo ago
FYI that is the old unofficial wiki, the official NixOS wiki is at https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Impermanence https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Impermanence (although this particular article is also outdated there)
- evanjrowley 7mo ago
  Thanks. One of the things that confuses me about the wiki is the official one contains a disclaimer about the potential for the content to be out of date. The unofficial wiki has an easier to use domain name and no disclaimer, so unless someone find it beautiful the wiki home page, it can be easy for them to interpret the unofficial one as being the de-facto/preferred source of information.

JustinGarrison 7mo ago

I work at Sidero, but I'm glad that wasn't obvious from the article because I'm trying to be fair. I heard about Impermanence right after I gave the talk so I'm looking into it.

evanjrowley 7mo ago
Good luck! Talos Linux seems like an amazing project. I wish Sidero much success.

dizhn 7mo ago

I am not really interested in an immutable desktop OS but that incus OS sounds interesting. I use Proxmox and if prox were to be immutable I wouldn't mind that.

evanjrowley 7mo ago
I totally agree with the idea of replacing Proxmox with something more immutable. IncusOS seems like a strong contender. I've also considered installing Proxmox with ZFS Boot Menu to get a rollback capability. I'd need to figure out how to properly manage state when multiple storage providers are in use. Like for example, what would happen if the pool for VMs had newer data than the root snapshot I roll back to? Even with the answer, obviously the overall theme is Proxmox is not designed to operate this way.

dindresto 7mo ago

FYI that is the old unofficial wiki, the official NixOS wiki is at https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Impermanence https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Impermanence (although this particular article is also outdated there)

evanjrowley 7mo ago
Thanks. One of the things that confuses me about the wiki is the official one contains a disclaimer about the potential for the content to be out of date. The unofficial wiki has an easier to use domain name and no disclaimer, so unless someone find it beautiful the wiki home page, it can be easy for them to interpret the unofficial one as being the de-facto/preferred source of information.