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The point about Apple is that everyone from zoom, slack etc will be forced to optimize for that 8GB. (Same like getting rid of awful flash player). Many a peop

The point about Apple is that everyone from zoom, slack etc will be forced to optimize for that 8GB. (Same like getting rid of awful flash player). Many a people need only a basic device for Netflix, YouTube, google docs or email or search/but flights tickets. That will be amazing. Many have job supplied laptop/desktop for great performance (made rubbish by AV scanners but that's different issue)

underlipton 6mo ago
>(Same like getting rid of awful flash player). I was looking up an old video game homepage the other day for some visual design guidance. It was archived on the Wayback Machine, but with Flash gone, so was the site. Ruffle can't account for every edge case. Flash was good. It was the bedrock of a massive chunk of the Old Net. The only thing awful are the people who pushed and cheered for its demise just so that Apple could justify their walled garden for the few years before webdev caught up. Burning the British Museum to run a steam engine.
- alsetmusic 6mo ago
  Flash was a dumpster fire on MacOS. Apple probably would have supported it on the iPhone if Adobe had stopped it from crashing apps and made it performant on Apple's primary platform at the time (the Mac). I remember pulling up crash logs for people showing them that Flash was in every one of the Safari crashes the wanted me to fix. I told them it was out of my hands.
  - underlipton 6mo ago
    All the other browsers managed it fine. That sounds like a Safari problem. Which would be totally in line with Apple's modus operandi.
    - achierius 6mo ago
      No, they didn't. It was straightforwardly unsafe and broken, the heaps of effort that went into supporting it were largely just to paper over that fact. It's no accident that the other browser vendors went along with dropping support so quickly after Apple did.
      - leptons 6mo ago
        The reason given for blocking Flash on iOS at the time was it's too cpu intensive on mobile, which impacts battery life. Not that it was "unsafe and broken". The main reason other browsers stopped supporting Flash was websites stopped being built with Flash because iOS didn't support it, and a lot of people thought that mattered even though iOS had (and still has) a small market share world-wide.
        alsetmusic 6mo ago
        > He cited the rapid energy consumption, computer crashes, poor performance on mobile devices, abysmal security, lack of touch support, and desire to avoid "a third party layer of software coming between the platform and the developer". Sure, he's laying out a case for the app store they'd later introduce, but it wasn't simply CPU and battery. There's a reason I cited crash logs as the primary thing I remembered about how it affected me. It gave me an immediate reason to share with people about why I couldn't fix Safari crashes when Flash was involved, which made that aspect of my job easier to explain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughts_on_Flash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughts_on_Flash
    - faust201 6mo ago
      Did you use netscape?
  - leptons 6mo ago
    Safari was a crap browser. I mean, it still is, but it used to be, too.
- faust201 6mo ago
  It was awful especially if you use open source OS like Linux. It slowed the computer, fans full speed. Wtf are you smoking?
leptons 6mo ago
It's cute that you think any of that optimization will happen just because Apple crapped out a budget laptop.
- faust201 6mo ago
  It is saddening that you are ignorant in knowing that technology companies follow Apple's devices more carefully that other OS.
  - leptons 6mo ago
    They don't. There's myriad laptops out there that are nothing like Apple's products, not even trying to be like them at all. You can get PCs in formats Apple has never ventured to make and never will. And let's not forget that Apple copies everyone else. Folding phone? How long did it take until Apple "invented" the folding phone market? Oh, that's right, they don't have one (yet, but they are followers after all). VR Goggles? Also late to that race, and they did a stupid thing with it. Even the iPhone was really, really late to the game (and no, I don't care about their ~30% worldwide mobile market share). Apple fanboys love to think that Apple invented all the things and everyone else copied them, but those are fanboy thoughts. Sorry, Apple simply is not the technology leader you think they are.

underlipton 6mo ago

>(Same like getting rid of awful flash player). I was looking up an old video game homepage the other day for some visual design guidance. It was archived on the Wayback Machine, but with Flash gone, so was the site. Ruffle can't account for every edge case. Flash was good. It was the bedrock of a massive chunk of the Old Net. The only thing awful are the people who pushed and cheered for its demise just so that Apple could justify their walled garden for the few years before webdev caught up. Burning the British Museum to run a steam engine.

alsetmusic 6mo ago
Flash was a dumpster fire on MacOS. Apple probably would have supported it on the iPhone if Adobe had stopped it from crashing apps and made it performant on Apple's primary platform at the time (the Mac). I remember pulling up crash logs for people showing them that Flash was in every one of the Safari crashes the wanted me to fix. I told them it was out of my hands.
- underlipton 6mo ago
  All the other browsers managed it fine. That sounds like a Safari problem. Which would be totally in line with Apple's modus operandi.
  - achierius 6mo ago
    No, they didn't. It was straightforwardly unsafe and broken, the heaps of effort that went into supporting it were largely just to paper over that fact. It's no accident that the other browser vendors went along with dropping support so quickly after Apple did.
    - leptons 6mo ago
      The reason given for blocking Flash on iOS at the time was it's too cpu intensive on mobile, which impacts battery life. Not that it was "unsafe and broken". The main reason other browsers stopped supporting Flash was websites stopped being built with Flash because iOS didn't support it, and a lot of people thought that mattered even though iOS had (and still has) a small market share world-wide.
      - alsetmusic 6mo ago
        > He cited the rapid energy consumption, computer crashes, poor performance on mobile devices, abysmal security, lack of touch support, and desire to avoid "a third party layer of software coming between the platform and the developer". Sure, he's laying out a case for the app store they'd later introduce, but it wasn't simply CPU and battery. There's a reason I cited crash logs as the primary thing I remembered about how it affected me. It gave me an immediate reason to share with people about why I couldn't fix Safari crashes when Flash was involved, which made that aspect of my job easier to explain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughts_on_Flash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughts_on_Flash
  - faust201 6mo ago
    Did you use netscape?
- leptons 6mo ago
  Safari was a crap browser. I mean, it still is, but it used to be, too.
faust201 6mo ago
It was awful especially if you use open source OS like Linux. It slowed the computer, fans full speed. Wtf are you smoking?

leptons 6mo ago

It's cute that you think any of that optimization will happen just because Apple crapped out a budget laptop.

faust201 6mo ago
It is saddening that you are ignorant in knowing that technology companies follow Apple's devices more carefully that other OS.
- leptons 6mo ago
  They don't. There's myriad laptops out there that are nothing like Apple's products, not even trying to be like them at all. You can get PCs in formats Apple has never ventured to make and never will. And let's not forget that Apple copies everyone else. Folding phone? How long did it take until Apple "invented" the folding phone market? Oh, that's right, they don't have one (yet, but they are followers after all). VR Goggles? Also late to that race, and they did a stupid thing with it. Even the iPhone was really, really late to the game (and no, I don't care about their ~30% worldwide mobile market share). Apple fanboys love to think that Apple invented all the things and everyone else copied them, but those are fanboy thoughts. Sorry, Apple simply is not the technology leader you think they are.