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>Iran has been waging war since the Islamic Revolution On who?

alex43578 6mo ago
At various times, and potentially via proxies: Iraq Saudi Arabia Israel Kurdish Rebels The US “All countries” via actions against shipping in the Red Sea and the Strait of Hormuz
- shykes 6mo ago
  Iran proxies were extremely active in Syria, as they were close allies of the Assad regime. They are responsible for countless exactions. In 1992 there was a deadly car bomb attack in Argentina, killing 29 people and injuring 250 more. Then again in 1994 a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires was bombed, killing 87 people. Eventually the investigation demonstrated conclusively that Iran was responsible.
  - epolanski 6mo ago
    You have better examples for Iran like Hezbollah and Hamas. Albeit Hamas has been largely propped by Israel itself and Qatar.
    - shykes 6mo ago
      > You have better examples for Iran like Hezbollah and Hamas. Yes but that was mostly covered already by the comment I was responded to. I was just filling a few gaps in the list. > Albeit Hamas has been largely propped by Israel itself and Qatar. Qatar has certainly financed and supported Hamas a great deal. Israel has absolutely not "propped up" Hamas. I'm aware of the allegations to the contrary, but they are wildly inflated nonsense. Israel and Hamas have been enemies to the death for decades.
      - epolanski 6mo ago
        > Israel has absolutely not "propped up" Hamas. Yes it did, big time, there's even a dedicated page on wikipedia [1]. It's quite impressive how most people are unaware of this. > "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas…" Benjamin Netanyahu on record. And there's plenty of such quotes. Long story short: in order to delegitimize the Palestinian Authority various Israeli governments have legitimized and propped Hamas in order to have a scapegoat to not have to sit around the negotiating table. Israeli actively armed and helped financing of Hamas while helping them suppress moderate Palestinian factions. And that's only what we know. I wouldn't be surprised if one day we'll also get proof that Israeli intelligence knew about October 7th and still allowed it to happen to go on such an extensive military campaign and crush forever any hope for a Palestinian state at the same time. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
        dlubarov 6mo ago
        > Benjamin Netanyahu on record. And there's plenty of such quotes. If there are "plenty" of quotes like this, can you identify just one that we know he actually said? (Not the "thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state" quote, which is unverified and denied by him [1].) In any case, actions speak louder than words. If we look past Wikipedians' spin and look the substance of what Israel actually did, they once facilitated Qatari aid to fund some basic civil services, to prevent societal collapse in Gaza. That's it, that's essentially the sole basis for all the misleading claims about Israel "supporting Hamas". [1] https://time.com/7008852/benjamin-netanyahu-interview-transcript/ https://time.com/7008852/benjamin-netanyahu-interview-transc...
        epolanski 6mo ago
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        dlubarov 6mo ago
        Correcting misinformation is “shilling”? What does my work have to do with anything? Your claim was that Netanyahu was "on record" with "plenty" of quotes. If that's true, surely it must be very easy to identify two or three specific quotes that he definitely said? Your link doesn't do that. The first answer doesn't quote Netanyahu. The second says "well he didn't deny the unverified quote", which is obviously false/outdated per my link above. In any case, is there some particular action Netanyahu took to "support Hamas" that you disagree with? Do you think Israel should have blocked the Qatari aid funds, which were ostensibly necessary to keep basic civil services running and prevent societal collapse?
energy123 6mo ago
They've colonized the whole region with their proxies, from Lebanon to Yemen to Iraq, previously Syria which they attacked with Hezbollah to support the Russia-backed Assad. About 1 million dead people from all this proxy warfare. Lebanon in particular wants to be a normal liberal democracy but their proxy militia assassinates any politician who stands in their way.
- sumeno 6mo ago
  How many dead from the US's proxy wars?
  - dylan604 6mo ago
    This is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Not dismissing your point, but it's really not a useful follow up. The two things can be bad at the same time.
    - tovej 6mo ago
      Not really irrelevant if the original question was whether this was "self defense".
- megous 6mo ago
  Colonized? Are Hezbollah not Lebanese? Were assadists not Syrian? (assadists invited Hezbollah) And how did Hezbollah come to be? I think you're simplifying quite a bit. And you're also omitting Israel and other near east countries or groups as a proxies of USA, simply by avoiding a clear and sensible non-discriminatory definition of what a proxy is. Eg. USA's Israel "proxy" crucified (literally) a "Palestinian Christian poet, advocate of non-violence and PLO spokesman" in Lebanon and executed a random woman who stood in the way of their operation. This is one of hundreds a lot of the time political assasinations IL did all around the world. Also Iraq attacked Iran during Iranian revolution in the past. You can hardly call Iraq a victim of Iranian proxy warfare. You can't ignore history or the long-term USA and Russian meddling in the region. Seems like significant subset of what you call proxies are locals who formed a group and tighter (Hezbollah) or very loose and inconsequential (Hamas) alliances with Iran, in response to either beligerent occupation/aggression or invasions by some other groups like Israel, Iraq, Saudis - basically in response to wars fought over land and resources.

At various times, and potentially via proxies: Iraq Saudi Arabia Israel Kurdish Rebels The US “All countries” via actions against shipping in the Red Sea and the Strait of Hormuz

shykes 6mo ago
Iran proxies were extremely active in Syria, as they were close allies of the Assad regime. They are responsible for countless exactions. In 1992 there was a deadly car bomb attack in Argentina, killing 29 people and injuring 250 more. Then again in 1994 a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires was bombed, killing 87 people. Eventually the investigation demonstrated conclusively that Iran was responsible.
- epolanski 6mo ago
  You have better examples for Iran like Hezbollah and Hamas. Albeit Hamas has been largely propped by Israel itself and Qatar.
  - shykes 6mo ago
    > You have better examples for Iran like Hezbollah and Hamas. Yes but that was mostly covered already by the comment I was responded to. I was just filling a few gaps in the list. > Albeit Hamas has been largely propped by Israel itself and Qatar. Qatar has certainly financed and supported Hamas a great deal. Israel has absolutely not "propped up" Hamas. I'm aware of the allegations to the contrary, but they are wildly inflated nonsense. Israel and Hamas have been enemies to the death for decades.
    - epolanski 6mo ago
      > Israel has absolutely not "propped up" Hamas. Yes it did, big time, there's even a dedicated page on wikipedia [1]. It's quite impressive how most people are unaware of this. > "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas…" Benjamin Netanyahu on record. And there's plenty of such quotes. Long story short: in order to delegitimize the Palestinian Authority various Israeli governments have legitimized and propped Hamas in order to have a scapegoat to not have to sit around the negotiating table. Israeli actively armed and helped financing of Hamas while helping them suppress moderate Palestinian factions. And that's only what we know. I wouldn't be surprised if one day we'll also get proof that Israeli intelligence knew about October 7th and still allowed it to happen to go on such an extensive military campaign and crush forever any hope for a Palestinian state at the same time. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
      - dlubarov 6mo ago
        > Benjamin Netanyahu on record. And there's plenty of such quotes. If there are "plenty" of quotes like this, can you identify just one that we know he actually said? (Not the "thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state" quote, which is unverified and denied by him [1].) In any case, actions speak louder than words. If we look past Wikipedians' spin and look the substance of what Israel actually did, they once facilitated Qatari aid to fund some basic civil services, to prevent societal collapse in Gaza. That's it, that's essentially the sole basis for all the misleading claims about Israel "supporting Hamas". [1] https://time.com/7008852/benjamin-netanyahu-interview-transcript/ https://time.com/7008852/benjamin-netanyahu-interview-transc...
        epolanski 6mo ago
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        dlubarov 6mo ago
        Correcting misinformation is “shilling”? What does my work have to do with anything? Your claim was that Netanyahu was "on record" with "plenty" of quotes. If that's true, surely it must be very easy to identify two or three specific quotes that he definitely said? Your link doesn't do that. The first answer doesn't quote Netanyahu. The second says "well he didn't deny the unverified quote", which is obviously false/outdated per my link above. In any case, is there some particular action Netanyahu took to "support Hamas" that you disagree with? Do you think Israel should have blocked the Qatari aid funds, which were ostensibly necessary to keep basic civil services running and prevent societal collapse?

energy123 6mo ago

They've colonized the whole region with their proxies, from Lebanon to Yemen to Iraq, previously Syria which they attacked with Hezbollah to support the Russia-backed Assad. About 1 million dead people from all this proxy warfare. Lebanon in particular wants to be a normal liberal democracy but their proxy militia assassinates any politician who stands in their way.

sumeno 6mo ago
How many dead from the US's proxy wars?
- dylan604 6mo ago
  This is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Not dismissing your point, but it's really not a useful follow up. The two things can be bad at the same time.
  - tovej 6mo ago
    Not really irrelevant if the original question was whether this was "self defense".
megous 6mo ago
Colonized? Are Hezbollah not Lebanese? Were assadists not Syrian? (assadists invited Hezbollah) And how did Hezbollah come to be? I think you're simplifying quite a bit. And you're also omitting Israel and other near east countries or groups as a proxies of USA, simply by avoiding a clear and sensible non-discriminatory definition of what a proxy is. Eg. USA's Israel "proxy" crucified (literally) a "Palestinian Christian poet, advocate of non-violence and PLO spokesman" in Lebanon and executed a random woman who stood in the way of their operation. This is one of hundreds a lot of the time political assasinations IL did all around the world. Also Iraq attacked Iran during Iranian revolution in the past. You can hardly call Iraq a victim of Iranian proxy warfare. You can't ignore history or the long-term USA and Russian meddling in the region. Seems like significant subset of what you call proxies are locals who formed a group and tighter (Hezbollah) or very loose and inconsequential (Hamas) alliances with Iran, in response to either beligerent occupation/aggression or invasions by some other groups like Israel, Iraq, Saudis - basically in response to wars fought over land and resources.