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For european individuals, yes. For european nations, not in the least. They try to avoid independent consumers and producers of energy with all the regulations

For european individuals, yes. For european nations, not in the least. They try to avoid independent consumers and producers of energy with all the regulations they can throw to them.

leonidasrup 7mo ago
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myrmidon 7mo ago
What nations are you talking about? E.g. in Germany, you can buy up to 7kW of panels, screw them onto your roof, wire them up with controller and battery and feed up to 800W into local grid, no one is gonna stop you or anything (only thing you need to do is register online with the grid operator if you have >2kW of panels). Legislation is, in fact, specifically made so people (i.e. landlord) actually can't easily stop you from doing this.
- PowerElectronix 7mo ago
  The limits in power you can install, power you can inject to the grid and power you can just directly sell to neighbours through a micro-grid (zeeo, as it's illegal) tell quite the story.
  - LunaSea 7mo ago
    Micro grids are legal outside of Germany like in Belgium
- interloxia 7mo ago
  Not quite as I understand it. At the low end, a couple of panels, yes. Beyond 960W of panels you will still need an an electrician rather than just the Schuko plug. It's not clear to me why, for example, 2kW of panels which are also limited to 800W need need the special plug. Hopefully I'm wrong! "With a standard Schuko plug, a maximum of 960 watts peak is allowed on the DC side, regulated by DIN VDE V 0126-95. With the Wieland connector, a special feed-in socket, the limit increases to 2,000 watts peak. Anyone wanting to operate a system with up to 7,000 watts of module power will need a permanently installed feed-in socket, thus entering a range that is technically possible but also more complex to implement." https://xpert.digital/en/balcony-solar-up-to-7-000-watts/ https://xpert.digital/en/balcony-solar-up-to-7-000-watts/
MandieD 7mo ago
A quick check of OBI (our main home-improvement chain) shows that I can get that 800w "balcony" plug-and-go system for 300-600 EUR depending on the exact panels and inverter I want, and it's all pre-approved. I have fill in a simple, free form online announcing that I've done so or am planning to, and I'm now technically an energy seller - my local utility pays some for power fed back into the network (not nearly the rate they charge for delivering power, but better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick). If I don't want to accept 0.08 EUR/kWH, I'm free to plug in a battery for any excess. Our base load when I have my work computer and monitor on during the day is somewhere in the neighborhood of 300w, so I think this would work out well for us. I need to get off my bum and do it. Shockingly unbureaucratic for Germany. There is, as one could imagine, somewhat more burden for larger systems that require the involvement of someone who is actually an electrician, but I don't want my neighbors to be able to DIY fire hazards.
- PowerElectronix 7mo ago
  Yeah, as long as you are basically giving free power to your provider, it's all good. God forbid you produce more, or try to sell it for market prices or even sell it directly to other individuals through a microgrid.

For european individuals, yes. For european nations, not in the least. They try to avoid independent consumers and producers of energy with all the regulations they can throw to them.

leonidasrup 7mo ago

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myrmidon 7mo ago

What nations are you talking about? E.g. in Germany, you can buy up to 7kW of panels, screw them onto your roof, wire them up with controller and battery and feed up to 800W into local grid, no one is gonna stop you or anything (only thing you need to do is register online with the grid operator if you have >2kW of panels). Legislation is, in fact, specifically made so people (i.e. landlord) actually can't easily stop you from doing this.

PowerElectronix 7mo ago
The limits in power you can install, power you can inject to the grid and power you can just directly sell to neighbours through a micro-grid (zeeo, as it's illegal) tell quite the story.
- LunaSea 7mo ago
  Micro grids are legal outside of Germany like in Belgium
interloxia 7mo ago
Not quite as I understand it. At the low end, a couple of panels, yes. Beyond 960W of panels you will still need an an electrician rather than just the Schuko plug. It's not clear to me why, for example, 2kW of panels which are also limited to 800W need need the special plug. Hopefully I'm wrong! "With a standard Schuko plug, a maximum of 960 watts peak is allowed on the DC side, regulated by DIN VDE V 0126-95. With the Wieland connector, a special feed-in socket, the limit increases to 2,000 watts peak. Anyone wanting to operate a system with up to 7,000 watts of module power will need a permanently installed feed-in socket, thus entering a range that is technically possible but also more complex to implement." https://xpert.digital/en/balcony-solar-up-to-7-000-watts/ https://xpert.digital/en/balcony-solar-up-to-7-000-watts/

MandieD 7mo ago

A quick check of OBI (our main home-improvement chain) shows that I can get that 800w "balcony" plug-and-go system for 300-600 EUR depending on the exact panels and inverter I want, and it's all pre-approved. I have fill in a simple, free form online announcing that I've done so or am planning to, and I'm now technically an energy seller - my local utility pays some for power fed back into the network (not nearly the rate they charge for delivering power, but better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick). If I don't want to accept 0.08 EUR/kWH, I'm free to plug in a battery for any excess. Our base load when I have my work computer and monitor on during the day is somewhere in the neighborhood of 300w, so I think this would work out well for us. I need to get off my bum and do it. Shockingly unbureaucratic for Germany. There is, as one could imagine, somewhat more burden for larger systems that require the involvement of someone who is actually an electrician, but I don't want my neighbors to be able to DIY fire hazards.

PowerElectronix 7mo ago
Yeah, as long as you are basically giving free power to your provider, it's all good. God forbid you produce more, or try to sell it for market prices or even sell it directly to other individuals through a microgrid.