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> his personal email should be pretty uninteresting except for stuff like HIPAA, amazon purchases, communications with friends / family. (good for HUMINT) But o

> his personal email should be pretty uninteresting except for stuff like HIPAA, amazon purchases, communications with friends / family. (good for HUMINT) But other than that, there shouldn't be anything in there which should make the news. It'll be interesting to see whether or not that bears out. Aren't these the same people who apparently used Signal with a journalist in the chat, and had military conversations in that very chat? Color me surprised if these people haven't heard of opsec before, and mix their work/personal life all over the place.

everdrive 7mo ago
Yes, and I wouldn't be shocked if there was classified information in there. I struggled with wording, but what I meant was "you're not supposed to be able to find classified or sensitive information in personal email, but I who knows what will be the case here."
throwa356262 7mo ago
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- embedding-shape 7mo ago
  > The investigation has led to turmoil within the Defense Department, raising tensions and the firings and resignations of several top DoD officials, including former Chief of Staff Joe Kasper. [...] On May 1, 2025, it was revealed that both national security adviser Mike Waltz and his deputy Alex Wong would be leaving their posts in the National Security Council Let me guess, the "leak" was intentional just to break a bunch of laws and to cause a bunch of people to get fired and leave their posts?
  - apercu 7mo ago
    They do a lot of mental heavy lifting to support a corrupt and incompetent administration- sunk cost fallacy I imagine.
- Forgeties79 7mo ago
  The facts simply do not bear this interpretation out. Investigations and heads rolling for a stage whisper? Nah
dmix 7mo ago
Signal started being used during the Biden administration, the issue was how they were managing contacts which could be added to groups. They weren't carefully vetting access and a journalist with the same name as another military guy was added to the group by accident.
- apical_dendrite 7mo ago
  Source?
  - dmix 7mo ago
    The public record of a contract to the Israeli company which handled archiving Signal chats for the DoD was done during Biden admin. And it's been well reported if you just Google it: > Alexa Henning, spokesperson for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, tweeted last week that “widespread use” of Signal began under the Biden administration, adding that “at ODNI, when I got my phone, it was pre-installed.” https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/02/inside-the-hazy-fractured-mess-of-signal-chats-in-the-government-00264466 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/02/inside-the-hazy-fra...
    - apical_dendrite 7mo ago
      You're missing some key distinctions. The issues are: 1) putting classified information into a non-classified system; 2) putting information that needs to be preserved under laws like the presidential records act into systems where it's set to be auto-deleted. Both are illegal. Simply saying that the Biden administration pre-installed Signal is irrelevant. There are legitimate uses. Your own article makes this exact point: > Matthew Shoemaker, a former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst who left the agency in 2021, said that while Signal was used during his time in government, “it was almost exclusively restricted to scheduling purposes,” such as letting their boss know that they’ll be late to work because of personal circumstances. “That’s why Signalgate is all the more staggering — because these senior leaders were doing the exact opposite of what even my most junior intelligence officers knew not to do,” he said. You're doing bullshit partisan whataboutism. "well the democrats did it first". This has nothing to do with adding the wrong contacts. It has to do with putting highly-sensitive material into Signal to circumvent the law around records preservation and as a result creating a situation where it's possible to accidentally add the wrong contact and therefore exposing that information to a journalist.
drnick1 7mo ago
> Aren't these the same people who apparently used Signal with a journalist in the chat, and had military conversations in that very chat? Signal is one of the most secure communication platforms out there, but it is obviously not immune to human error or social engineering.
- embedding-shape 7mo ago
  Ok? Signal is not the topic of my comment really, nor has anyone claimed it's less secure than other chat apps.
- mikeyouse 7mo ago
  Also wildly illegal to use to conduct government business, especially confidential government business. (and yes the messages were auto-deleting and largely lost before anyone chimes in with technically they could be archived!)
  - nickburns 7mo ago
    It was a custom (presumably DoD-approved) build. And the story gets much better than that: https://youtu.be/KFYyfrTIPQY&t=724 https://youtu.be/KFYyfrTIPQY&t=724
- krisoft 7mo ago
  > Signal is one of the most secure communication platforms out there That might be true amongst the communication platforms available for the average Joe. It is definietly not the most secure communication platform available for someone high ranking in the USA government. > it is obviously not immune to human error or social engineering Nothing is immune. But there are systems more and systems less prone to these issues.
- esseph 7mo ago
  https://www.404media.co/the-signal-clone-the-trump-admin-uses-was-hacked/ https://www.404media.co/the-signal-clone-the-trump-admin-use...

everdrive 7mo ago

Yes, and I wouldn't be shocked if there was classified information in there. I struggled with wording, but what I meant was "you're not supposed to be able to find classified or sensitive information in personal email, but I who knows what will be the case here."

throwa356262 7mo ago

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embedding-shape 7mo ago
> The investigation has led to turmoil within the Defense Department, raising tensions and the firings and resignations of several top DoD officials, including former Chief of Staff Joe Kasper. [...] On May 1, 2025, it was revealed that both national security adviser Mike Waltz and his deputy Alex Wong would be leaving their posts in the National Security Council Let me guess, the "leak" was intentional just to break a bunch of laws and to cause a bunch of people to get fired and leave their posts?
- apercu 7mo ago
  They do a lot of mental heavy lifting to support a corrupt and incompetent administration- sunk cost fallacy I imagine.
Forgeties79 7mo ago
The facts simply do not bear this interpretation out. Investigations and heads rolling for a stage whisper? Nah

dmix 7mo ago

Signal started being used during the Biden administration, the issue was how they were managing contacts which could be added to groups. They weren't carefully vetting access and a journalist with the same name as another military guy was added to the group by accident.

apical_dendrite 7mo ago
Source?
- dmix 7mo ago
  The public record of a contract to the Israeli company which handled archiving Signal chats for the DoD was done during Biden admin. And it's been well reported if you just Google it: > Alexa Henning, spokesperson for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, tweeted last week that “widespread use” of Signal began under the Biden administration, adding that “at ODNI, when I got my phone, it was pre-installed.” https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/02/inside-the-hazy-fractured-mess-of-signal-chats-in-the-government-00264466 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/02/inside-the-hazy-fra...
  - apical_dendrite 7mo ago
    You're missing some key distinctions. The issues are: 1) putting classified information into a non-classified system; 2) putting information that needs to be preserved under laws like the presidential records act into systems where it's set to be auto-deleted. Both are illegal. Simply saying that the Biden administration pre-installed Signal is irrelevant. There are legitimate uses. Your own article makes this exact point: > Matthew Shoemaker, a former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst who left the agency in 2021, said that while Signal was used during his time in government, “it was almost exclusively restricted to scheduling purposes,” such as letting their boss know that they’ll be late to work because of personal circumstances. “That’s why Signalgate is all the more staggering — because these senior leaders were doing the exact opposite of what even my most junior intelligence officers knew not to do,” he said. You're doing bullshit partisan whataboutism. "well the democrats did it first". This has nothing to do with adding the wrong contacts. It has to do with putting highly-sensitive material into Signal to circumvent the law around records preservation and as a result creating a situation where it's possible to accidentally add the wrong contact and therefore exposing that information to a journalist.

drnick1 7mo ago

> Aren't these the same people who apparently used Signal with a journalist in the chat, and had military conversations in that very chat? Signal is one of the most secure communication platforms out there, but it is obviously not immune to human error or social engineering.

embedding-shape 7mo ago
Ok? Signal is not the topic of my comment really, nor has anyone claimed it's less secure than other chat apps.
mikeyouse 7mo ago
Also wildly illegal to use to conduct government business, especially confidential government business. (and yes the messages were auto-deleting and largely lost before anyone chimes in with technically they could be archived!)
- nickburns 7mo ago
  It was a custom (presumably DoD-approved) build. And the story gets much better than that: https://youtu.be/KFYyfrTIPQY&t=724 https://youtu.be/KFYyfrTIPQY&t=724
krisoft 7mo ago
> Signal is one of the most secure communication platforms out there That might be true amongst the communication platforms available for the average Joe. It is definietly not the most secure communication platform available for someone high ranking in the USA government. > it is obviously not immune to human error or social engineering Nothing is immune. But there are systems more and systems less prone to these issues.
esseph 7mo ago
https://www.404media.co/the-signal-clone-the-trump-admin-uses-was-hacked/ https://www.404media.co/the-signal-clone-the-trump-admin-use...