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Roleplaying a parallel reallity where "Europe" is an oppressive totalitarian regime will never not be funny.

by kubb 7mo ago

dmitrygr 7mo ago
> Roleplaying a parallel reallity where "Europe" is an oppressive totalitarian regime will never not be funny. Roleplaying inability to read will never not be funny UK: https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/law-requiring-disclosure-of-decryption-keys-in-force https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/law-requiring-dis... France: https://www.fairtrials.org/articles/news/french-court-rules-that-refusing-to-disclose-a-mobile-passcode-to-law-enforcement-is-a-criminal-offence/ https://www.fairtrials.org/articles/news/french-court-rules-... Ireland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57468750 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57468750
- kubb 7mo ago
  UK: Police can search phones to counteract human traffickers. China: Police can search phones of dissidents, and jail them for life for criticising the Party. You: Europe is worse than China (or will be really soon I promise). Disingenuous.
  - danlitt 7mo ago
    Nobody claimed Europe was worse than China, only that if you wouldn't visit China for this reason then you shouldn't visit Europe (or the US) for the same reason. Speaking of being disingenuous, when you say "Police can search phones to counteract human traffickers", did you think critically about that at all before writing it? Given one of the stated justifications is "preventing terrorism", and the UK has been illegally arresting Palestine Action supporters as terrorists for over a year, this seems a little naive at least.
    - kubb 7mo ago
      > Nobody claimed Europe was worse than China, only that if you wouldn't visit China for this reason then you shouldn't visit Europe (or the US) for the same reason. That would be nonsensical. If you have anti-Xi propaganda on your phone (which could be the reasons you mention), you have nothing to fear in Europe or in the US and a lot to fear in China. The US is actually worse than both China and Europe because it's 18th century amendments protect human traffickers. Although they do what they can to not have to adhere to those, especially in border control. > What about Palestine Action... I'll limit myself to the LARP about "oppressive Europe invigilating your phone".
      - dmitrygr 7mo ago
        Indeed anti-Xi posts are unsafe in China, and safe in UK. Equally, anti-UK posts are safe in China and not so in the UK... (eg https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118565/documents/HHRG-119-JU00-20250903-SD039-U39.pdf https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118565/documents/...). The naïveté in the claim that these are significantly different reminded me of an old joke from the USSR: American: In America, we have freedom of speech. USSRian: What's that? American: I can stand in front of the White House and yell "Reagan is a moron!" and nothing will happen to me. USSRian: Well, we have that in USSR too. American: Really? USSRian: Yes, of course! I go stand in the center of the Red Square and yell "Reagan is a moron" and nothing will happen to me.
        kubb 7mo ago
        I'm sorry, but you're not coherent. You're saying anti-uk posts, you're linking some heavily editorialized article from a highly ideological media outlet about an arrest "allegedly over criticising anti-trans activists". So not anti-UK posts. The arrest doesn't seem to have lead to any conviction. So not years of jail and reeducation camps like you get in China for dissent. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You put this things together and you claim they're the same. They're not even close. This makes you seem funny, unserious.
        dmitrygr 7mo ago
        arrest == arrest You are most welcome to google "UK arrest for criticizing" and find articles you consider less biased. There are so many to choose from

Roleplaying a parallel reallity where "Europe" is an oppressive totalitarian regime will never not be funny.

by kubb 7mo ago

Roleplaying a parallel reallity where "Europe" is an oppressive totalitarian regime will never not be funny.

> Roleplaying a parallel reallity where "Europe" is an oppressive totalitarian regime will never not be funny. Roleplaying inability to read will never not be funny UK: https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/law-requiring-disclosure-of-decryption-keys-in-force https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/law-requiring-dis... France: https://www.fairtrials.org/articles/news/french-court-rules-that-refusing-to-disclose-a-mobile-passcode-to-law-enforcement-is-a-criminal-offence/ https://www.fairtrials.org/articles/news/french-court-rules-... Ireland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57468750 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57468750

kubb 7mo ago
UK: Police can search phones to counteract human traffickers. China: Police can search phones of dissidents, and jail them for life for criticising the Party. You: Europe is worse than China (or will be really soon I promise). Disingenuous.
- danlitt 7mo ago
  Nobody claimed Europe was worse than China, only that if you wouldn't visit China for this reason then you shouldn't visit Europe (or the US) for the same reason. Speaking of being disingenuous, when you say "Police can search phones to counteract human traffickers", did you think critically about that at all before writing it? Given one of the stated justifications is "preventing terrorism", and the UK has been illegally arresting Palestine Action supporters as terrorists for over a year, this seems a little naive at least.
  - kubb 7mo ago
    > Nobody claimed Europe was worse than China, only that if you wouldn't visit China for this reason then you shouldn't visit Europe (or the US) for the same reason. That would be nonsensical. If you have anti-Xi propaganda on your phone (which could be the reasons you mention), you have nothing to fear in Europe or in the US and a lot to fear in China. The US is actually worse than both China and Europe because it's 18th century amendments protect human traffickers. Although they do what they can to not have to adhere to those, especially in border control. > What about Palestine Action... I'll limit myself to the LARP about "oppressive Europe invigilating your phone".
    - dmitrygr 7mo ago
      Indeed anti-Xi posts are unsafe in China, and safe in UK. Equally, anti-UK posts are safe in China and not so in the UK... (eg https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118565/documents/HHRG-119-JU00-20250903-SD039-U39.pdf https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118565/documents/...). The naïveté in the claim that these are significantly different reminded me of an old joke from the USSR: American: In America, we have freedom of speech. USSRian: What's that? American: I can stand in front of the White House and yell "Reagan is a moron!" and nothing will happen to me. USSRian: Well, we have that in USSR too. American: Really? USSRian: Yes, of course! I go stand in the center of the Red Square and yell "Reagan is a moron" and nothing will happen to me.
      - kubb 7mo ago
        I'm sorry, but you're not coherent. You're saying anti-uk posts, you're linking some heavily editorialized article from a highly ideological media outlet about an arrest "allegedly over criticising anti-trans activists". So not anti-UK posts. The arrest doesn't seem to have lead to any conviction. So not years of jail and reeducation camps like you get in China for dissent. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You put this things together and you claim they're the same. They're not even close. This makes you seem funny, unserious.
        dmitrygr 7mo ago
        arrest == arrest You are most welcome to google "UK arrest for criticizing" and find articles you consider less biased. There are so many to choose from