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The title I get when I click on this is, "How (and why) to take a logarithm of an image"

by m-hodges 7mo ago

peesem 7mo ago
YouTube has A/B testing features that allow videos to have multiple titles and/or thumbnails.
- m-hodges 7mo ago
  Right. So I thought it would be helpful to share the more-descriptive title that I got.
  - Modified3019 7mo ago
    This is what I use DeArrow for, crowdsourced titles and thumbnails (from the maker of SponsorBlock): https://github.com/ajayyy/DeArrow https://github.com/ajayyy/DeArrow
- dandanua 7mo ago
  I'm sorry, what? Can people now see different titles? Insanity, if true.
  - hidroto 7mo ago
    It has been that way for a while now. I see Veritasium video titles and thumbnails change quite often, it can be quite annoying as it sometimes gives the appearance of it being a whole new video. A/B testing a title feels wrong to me, its almost as bad as A/B testing a UUID. Just pick a title and stick to it unless you need to fix a factual error.
    - zacmps 7mo ago
      Titles and thumbnails have a huge impact on video performance, and when it's your main income it seems reasonable to try to marginalise the impact.
      - throwaway290 7mo ago
        And video performance = ad revenue.
      - TeMPOraL 7mo ago
        Right, but then there's this thing called "shared reality" and once you break it, all kinds of bad consequences happen. This is even worse, as it also breaks temporal continuity for individual reality. E.g. I expect that if I saw a video titled X today, I'll be able to find it under title X tomorrow, and if I can't, it's one of the rare/marginal cases when it got banned/deleted/retitled, or I just misremembered. Titles becoming unstable in the general case is a bad situation.
        dandanua 7mo ago
        Gaslighting is now a government policy
  - UltraSane 7mo ago
    Oh yes. Some channels cycle through many different ones as they test them. Veritasium is notorious for this.
sva_ 7mo ago
For me it is "Decoding Escher's most mind-bending piece"
- emmelaich 7mo ago
  Same for me and this is why I had not clicked on it before.
close04 7mo ago
> How (and why) to take a logarithm of an image I watched it a few days ago and this descriptive title was part of the reason I clicked. I generally trust 3B1B anyway but normally a title like "This picture broke my brain" would put me off.
- 3b1b 7mo ago
  In case you're curious, when I ran that title/thumbnail AB test, the option "This picture broke my brain" did end up winning. I was a bit disappointed, because I didn't really _want_ it to win, but I did include it out of curiosity. Ultimately, I changed it to the other title, mostly because I like it better, and the margin was small. I was genuinely torn about how to title this, because one of my aims is that it stands to be enjoyed by people outside the usual online-math-viewing circles, especially the first 12 minutes, and leaning into the idea of a complex log risks alienating some of those.
  - cromulent2 7mo ago
    That makes me wonder: do you see a difference in when viewers drop off between using a more math-y title versus a more accessible one? The "broke my brain" title originally put me off from watching. I caved after a few days; I think the video is one of your best!
    - 3b1b 7mo ago
      That level of granularity would be interesting. For what it's worth, the metric they go by is not click-through rate; it's expected total watch time. For example, if you have two thumbnails, A and B, and for every 100 impressions of A, there are 51 total minutes of watch time, and for every 100 impressions of B, there are 49 total, then what you'd see in the dashboard is "51% A, 49% B". More total clicks with less engagement will not necessarily win out. I generally agree that it's a pretty wild choice to just let creators put up multiple titles. That said, it's hard not to play with the shiny toy when it's sitting right there, especially if you know it may mean the lesson reaches more people. In this case, I genuinely don't know what the "right" title is, even setting engagement aside. Is it fundamentally about analyzing an Escher piece? Is it fundamentally a lesson on complex analysis, and complex logs in particular? It's both, but you don't always want to cram two stories into one title. This becomes all the more challenging when titles are, inescapably, marketing.
john_strinlai 7mo ago
i see "Decoding Escher's most mind-bending piece". fascinating, and absurdly confusing, that there are multiple titles.
- eblume 7mo ago
  It's a pretty common feature of youtube creator studio. https://www.theverge.com/news/840789/youtube-video-title-a-b-testing-feature https://www.theverge.com/news/840789/youtube-video-title-a-b...
  - john_strinlai 7mo ago
    i had no idea, thanks. at first glance it seems okay-ish for the creator, but only serves to be confusing for the users.

The title I get when I click on this is, "How (and why) to take a logarithm of an image"

peesem 7mo ago

YouTube has A/B testing features that allow videos to have multiple titles and/or thumbnails.

m-hodges 7mo ago
Right. So I thought it would be helpful to share the more-descriptive title that I got.
- Modified3019 7mo ago
  This is what I use DeArrow for, crowdsourced titles and thumbnails (from the maker of SponsorBlock): https://github.com/ajayyy/DeArrow https://github.com/ajayyy/DeArrow
dandanua 7mo ago
I'm sorry, what? Can people now see different titles? Insanity, if true.
- hidroto 7mo ago
  It has been that way for a while now. I see Veritasium video titles and thumbnails change quite often, it can be quite annoying as it sometimes gives the appearance of it being a whole new video. A/B testing a title feels wrong to me, its almost as bad as A/B testing a UUID. Just pick a title and stick to it unless you need to fix a factual error.
  - zacmps 7mo ago
    Titles and thumbnails have a huge impact on video performance, and when it's your main income it seems reasonable to try to marginalise the impact.
    - throwaway290 7mo ago
      And video performance = ad revenue.
    - TeMPOraL 7mo ago
      Right, but then there's this thing called "shared reality" and once you break it, all kinds of bad consequences happen. This is even worse, as it also breaks temporal continuity for individual reality. E.g. I expect that if I saw a video titled X today, I'll be able to find it under title X tomorrow, and if I can't, it's one of the rare/marginal cases when it got banned/deleted/retitled, or I just misremembered. Titles becoming unstable in the general case is a bad situation.
      - dandanua 7mo ago
        Gaslighting is now a government policy
- UltraSane 7mo ago
  Oh yes. Some channels cycle through many different ones as they test them. Veritasium is notorious for this.

sva_ 7mo ago

For me it is "Decoding Escher's most mind-bending piece"

emmelaich 7mo ago
Same for me and this is why I had not clicked on it before.

close04 7mo ago

> How (and why) to take a logarithm of an image I watched it a few days ago and this descriptive title was part of the reason I clicked. I generally trust 3B1B anyway but normally a title like "This picture broke my brain" would put me off.

3b1b 7mo ago
In case you're curious, when I ran that title/thumbnail AB test, the option "This picture broke my brain" did end up winning. I was a bit disappointed, because I didn't really _want_ it to win, but I did include it out of curiosity. Ultimately, I changed it to the other title, mostly because I like it better, and the margin was small. I was genuinely torn about how to title this, because one of my aims is that it stands to be enjoyed by people outside the usual online-math-viewing circles, especially the first 12 minutes, and leaning into the idea of a complex log risks alienating some of those.
- cromulent2 7mo ago
  That makes me wonder: do you see a difference in when viewers drop off between using a more math-y title versus a more accessible one? The "broke my brain" title originally put me off from watching. I caved after a few days; I think the video is one of your best!
  - 3b1b 7mo ago
    That level of granularity would be interesting. For what it's worth, the metric they go by is not click-through rate; it's expected total watch time. For example, if you have two thumbnails, A and B, and for every 100 impressions of A, there are 51 total minutes of watch time, and for every 100 impressions of B, there are 49 total, then what you'd see in the dashboard is "51% A, 49% B". More total clicks with less engagement will not necessarily win out. I generally agree that it's a pretty wild choice to just let creators put up multiple titles. That said, it's hard not to play with the shiny toy when it's sitting right there, especially if you know it may mean the lesson reaches more people. In this case, I genuinely don't know what the "right" title is, even setting engagement aside. Is it fundamentally about analyzing an Escher piece? Is it fundamentally a lesson on complex analysis, and complex logs in particular? It's both, but you don't always want to cram two stories into one title. This becomes all the more challenging when titles are, inescapably, marketing.

john_strinlai 7mo ago

i see "Decoding Escher's most mind-bending piece". fascinating, and absurdly confusing, that there are multiple titles.

eblume 7mo ago
It's a pretty common feature of youtube creator studio. https://www.theverge.com/news/840789/youtube-video-title-a-b-testing-feature https://www.theverge.com/news/840789/youtube-video-title-a-b...
- john_strinlai 7mo ago
  i had no idea, thanks. at first glance it seems okay-ish for the creator, but only serves to be confusing for the users.