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Claude Code has been bleh or meh at best in my experience. There's so many posts on HN fawning about it lately that it could only be a guerrilla marketing campa

Claude Code has been bleh or meh at best in my experience. There's so many posts on HN fawning about it lately that it could only be a guerrilla marketing campaign.

spiderfarmer 7mo ago
"I don't get it. Everyone else is wrong."
- Razengan 7mo ago
  "There's no such thing as astroturfing." ok I use Codex regularly and Claude is shit in comparison, from its constant "Oops you're right!!" backtracking to its crap Electron app (if their AI is so good why can't they make a fucking native app for each OS?) Hell right freakin now I asked it to implement something and got a weird "Something went wrong" API error
  - spiderfarmer 7mo ago
    "Shit", "Crap", "Fucking", "Hell", "Freaking". Maybe you're too easily frustrated. Or your existing code reads like your comments.
    - Razengan 7mo ago
      Maybe you haven't tried any other AI product with an actual preexisting project. Or blindly trust every BS Claude feeds you. I haven't had any such frustrations with Codex Claude is specially annoying because of their submarining and people thinking it's the best
      - spiderfarmer 7mo ago
        I use both, read what I need to read and fix small issues myself. Both Agents are pure magic and none of their issues warrant a tantrum on a public forum.
        Razengan 7mo ago
        I posted a more detailed report in case you can't see it in your thread view: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47541369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47541369 and other comments further back in my history > none of their issues warrant a tantrum on a public forum I don't get frustrated if a problem is genuinely difficult to solve and the product creator is trying their best, I get frustrated when a problem has been solved by other similar products but a specific creator or provider refuses to follow suit and fix their shit. Claude's Electron app vs. Codex's native app is one such example right off the first impression of both products.
        cesarvarela 7mo ago
        Codex desktop is Electron too. What app are you talking about?
        Razengan 7mo ago
        Oh my fuck, I was led to believe that the Codex Mac app was native. Codex itself said so. Google also said so but now it says different. Codex definitely "feels" more native than Claude: Proper menus etc, like when you right-click on a session in the sidebar, Codex shows an actual context menu, whereas Claude reveals its HTML-rendered jank and highlights the word you right-clicked on as if the sidebar item is just a plain textbox, ugh
        spiderfarmer 7mo ago
        "Claude Code has been bleh or meh at best in my experience." "Why" "HAVE YOU SEEN THEIR CONTEXT MENU"
        Razengan 7mo ago
        Are you being dumb on purpose and ignoring the rest of the shit I said or just fanboying for Anthropic? Claude's AI. itself. is. trash. Their UI/UX makes it worse. The constant fanboying/paid PR around it makes it the worst.
maipen 7mo ago
You still need to give it precise context and instructions when dealing with things that are not web apps or some other software cliche. The reasoning is great in opus, unbeatable at the moment. I understand what you mean, it becomes disappointing on more niche or specific work. It’s honestly a good thing to see these models are not really intelligent yet.
- Razengan 7mo ago
  I still don't trust any AI enough to generate or edit code, except for some throwaway experiments, because every time I tried it's been inefficient or too verbose or just plain wrong. I use it for reviewing existing code, specifically for a components-based framework for Godot/GDScript at [0]. You can view the AGENTS.md and see that it's a relatively simple enough project: Just for 2D games and fairly modular so the AI can look at each file/class individually and have to cross-reference maybe 1-3 dependencies/dependents at most at any time during a single pass. I've been using Codex, and it's helped me catch a lot of bugs that would have taken a long time on my own to even notice at all. Most of my productivity and the commits from the past couple months are thanks to that. Claude on the other hand, oh man… It just wastes my time. It's had way more gaffes than Codex, on the exact same code and prompts. [0] https://github.com/InvadingOctopus/comedot https://github.com/InvadingOctopus/comedot
  - dr_kiszonka 7mo ago
    I had a similar experience and the answer appears to be learning how to use a specific model for a specific task using a specific harness (model X task X harness). Another, and somewhat related, lesson learned is understanding how to work with a given model and not against it. I still get really mad at AI sometimes and I am not sure whether I could use AI for coding full time. (Codex broke my git a few days ago.)
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Claude Code has been bleh or meh at best in my experience. There's so many posts on HN fawning about it lately that it could only be a guerrilla marketing campaign.

spiderfarmer 7mo ago

"I don't get it. Everyone else is wrong."

Razengan 7mo ago
"There's no such thing as astroturfing." ok I use Codex regularly and Claude is shit in comparison, from its constant "Oops you're right!!" backtracking to its crap Electron app (if their AI is so good why can't they make a fucking native app for each OS?) Hell right freakin now I asked it to implement something and got a weird "Something went wrong" API error
- spiderfarmer 7mo ago
  "Shit", "Crap", "Fucking", "Hell", "Freaking". Maybe you're too easily frustrated. Or your existing code reads like your comments.
  - Razengan 7mo ago
    Maybe you haven't tried any other AI product with an actual preexisting project. Or blindly trust every BS Claude feeds you. I haven't had any such frustrations with Codex Claude is specially annoying because of their submarining and people thinking it's the best
    - spiderfarmer 7mo ago
      I use both, read what I need to read and fix small issues myself. Both Agents are pure magic and none of their issues warrant a tantrum on a public forum.
      - Razengan 7mo ago
        I posted a more detailed report in case you can't see it in your thread view: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47541369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47541369 and other comments further back in my history > none of their issues warrant a tantrum on a public forum I don't get frustrated if a problem is genuinely difficult to solve and the product creator is trying their best, I get frustrated when a problem has been solved by other similar products but a specific creator or provider refuses to follow suit and fix their shit. Claude's Electron app vs. Codex's native app is one such example right off the first impression of both products.
        cesarvarela 7mo ago
        Codex desktop is Electron too. What app are you talking about?
        Razengan 7mo ago
        Oh my fuck, I was led to believe that the Codex Mac app was native. Codex itself said so. Google also said so but now it says different. Codex definitely "feels" more native than Claude: Proper menus etc, like when you right-click on a session in the sidebar, Codex shows an actual context menu, whereas Claude reveals its HTML-rendered jank and highlights the word you right-clicked on as if the sidebar item is just a plain textbox, ugh
        spiderfarmer 7mo ago
        "Claude Code has been bleh or meh at best in my experience." "Why" "HAVE YOU SEEN THEIR CONTEXT MENU"
        Razengan 7mo ago
        Are you being dumb on purpose and ignoring the rest of the shit I said or just fanboying for Anthropic? Claude's AI. itself. is. trash. Their UI/UX makes it worse. The constant fanboying/paid PR around it makes it the worst.

maipen 7mo ago

You still need to give it precise context and instructions when dealing with things that are not web apps or some other software cliche. The reasoning is great in opus, unbeatable at the moment. I understand what you mean, it becomes disappointing on more niche or specific work. It’s honestly a good thing to see these models are not really intelligent yet.

Razengan 7mo ago
I still don't trust any AI enough to generate or edit code, except for some throwaway experiments, because every time I tried it's been inefficient or too verbose or just plain wrong. I use it for reviewing existing code, specifically for a components-based framework for Godot/GDScript at [0]. You can view the AGENTS.md and see that it's a relatively simple enough project: Just for 2D games and fairly modular so the AI can look at each file/class individually and have to cross-reference maybe 1-3 dependencies/dependents at most at any time during a single pass. I've been using Codex, and it's helped me catch a lot of bugs that would have taken a long time on my own to even notice at all. Most of my productivity and the commits from the past couple months are thanks to that. Claude on the other hand, oh man… It just wastes my time. It's had way more gaffes than Codex, on the exact same code and prompts. [0] https://github.com/InvadingOctopus/comedot https://github.com/InvadingOctopus/comedot
- dr_kiszonka 7mo ago
  I had a similar experience and the answer appears to be learning how to use a specific model for a specific task using a specific harness (model X task X harness). Another, and somewhat related, lesson learned is understanding how to work with a given model and not against it. I still get really mad at AI sometimes and I am not sure whether I could use AI for coding full time. (Codex broke my git a few days ago.)

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