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Why are they entitled to have a mechanism to force a private company to deal in weapons and surveillance?

by brookst 7mo ago

nickysielicki 7mo ago
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- etchalon 7mo ago
  No, Anthropic is suing for the right to not be labeled a supply chain risk for a failed contract negotiation. Nothing in their suit, or this ruling, says the DoD has to buy things from them.
  - nickysielicki 7mo ago
    Whose supply chain? A supply chain risk to whom? If they are comfortable without being in that supply chain, whoever’s supply chain that is (exercise to the reader), why are they suing?
- thereticent 7mo ago
  You can say this person is an idiot all you want, but the fact of the matter is that if DoD does not want to deal with Anthropic through Palantir, their only legal recourse at this point is to drop Palantir. They shot their shot with this legal gamble to remove Anthropic from the supply chain, and they failed. That's it. Curtains or deal with it.
  - nickysielicki 7mo ago
    You really think the world works that way? One judge with two years on the bench makes a determination after two weeks of consideration and the case is closed forever? This injunction doesn’t take effect for a week, precisely so that the Department has time to appeal this to the 9th circuit. And even if the 9th circuit doesn’t stay it, SCOTUS will. This court has stayed district court injunctions against the executive on national security grounds multiple times. They are not going to let a single district judge in San Francisco dictate military procurement during an active war. Obviously. OBVIOUSLY. Lin didn’t drop Palantir from the defense supply chain unilaterally. The world does not work that way. Obviously. She issued a preliminary injunction that will be appealed before it takes effect. The DoD has not “shot their shot.” This lawsuit hasn’t even started yet.
- dragonwriter 7mo ago
  > Anthropic is suing for the right to deal in weapons and surveillance, you realize? No, they are suing for the reversal of specific government actions which they contend were taken without lawful authority and for Constitutionally impermissible purposes.
  - nickysielicki 7mo ago
    Okay, sure, that’s a lot of fancy words to say a lot of nothing. What remedy are they seeking? How can this be redressed? (Hint: they want to be a part of the DoD supply chain. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t have standing. If the court can’t do anything for you even if you win, you fail the redressability prong and get bounced for lack of standing.)
    - Starman_Jones 7mo ago
      Scope of injunctive relief extends beyond DoD. In fact, it’s fair to say that’s only a small portion of the relief offered.

Why are they entitled to have a mechanism to force a private company to deal in weapons and surveillance?

by brookst 7mo ago

Why are they entitled to have a mechanism to force a private company to deal in weapons and surveillance?

nickysielicki 7mo ago

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etchalon 7mo ago
No, Anthropic is suing for the right to not be labeled a supply chain risk for a failed contract negotiation. Nothing in their suit, or this ruling, says the DoD has to buy things from them.
- nickysielicki 7mo ago
  Whose supply chain? A supply chain risk to whom? If they are comfortable without being in that supply chain, whoever’s supply chain that is (exercise to the reader), why are they suing?
thereticent 7mo ago
You can say this person is an idiot all you want, but the fact of the matter is that if DoD does not want to deal with Anthropic through Palantir, their only legal recourse at this point is to drop Palantir. They shot their shot with this legal gamble to remove Anthropic from the supply chain, and they failed. That's it. Curtains or deal with it.
- nickysielicki 7mo ago
  You really think the world works that way? One judge with two years on the bench makes a determination after two weeks of consideration and the case is closed forever? This injunction doesn’t take effect for a week, precisely so that the Department has time to appeal this to the 9th circuit. And even if the 9th circuit doesn’t stay it, SCOTUS will. This court has stayed district court injunctions against the executive on national security grounds multiple times. They are not going to let a single district judge in San Francisco dictate military procurement during an active war. Obviously. OBVIOUSLY. Lin didn’t drop Palantir from the defense supply chain unilaterally. The world does not work that way. Obviously. She issued a preliminary injunction that will be appealed before it takes effect. The DoD has not “shot their shot.” This lawsuit hasn’t even started yet.
dragonwriter 7mo ago
> Anthropic is suing for the right to deal in weapons and surveillance, you realize? No, they are suing for the reversal of specific government actions which they contend were taken without lawful authority and for Constitutionally impermissible purposes.
- nickysielicki 7mo ago
  Okay, sure, that’s a lot of fancy words to say a lot of nothing. What remedy are they seeking? How can this be redressed? (Hint: they want to be a part of the DoD supply chain. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t have standing. If the court can’t do anything for you even if you win, you fail the redressability prong and get bounced for lack of standing.)
  - Starman_Jones 7mo ago
    Scope of injunctive relief extends beyond DoD. In fact, it’s fair to say that’s only a small portion of the relief offered.