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Probably includes circa 30% employer contributions to various taxes (employer side, the employee will be paying their own of course). And possibly VAT.

joe_mamba 7mo ago
Still an amazing deal compared to the rates I got quoted by recruiters. I'm guessing you must first live in Amsterdam for that. In Vienna you get laugh if you asked for 120, and there you pay even more in taxes than NL.
- alibarber 7mo ago
  It's high but I mean that the developer is asking for 90, and 120 is leaving the employers pocket. 60-70 is then making it to the developer's pocket.
- 0x3f 7mo ago
  Perhaps, but Vienna has better QoL so maybe it balances out at this level. If you want to just maximize income, there are better places for that than Amsterdam.
  - joe_mamba 7mo ago
    >but Vienna has better QoL According to who? Visiting tourists rating amenities and people on welfare? NL infrastructure and tech jobs market is leagues beyond what Austria offers. >If you want to just maximize income, there are better places for that than Amsterdam. Like which?
    - 0x3f 7mo ago
      > According to who? Tourists? Just about every QoL index around. [1] [2] > NL infrastructure and tech jobs market is leagues beyond what Austria offers. These are not QoL-related beyond pure income. > Like which? California, NYC, London even. --- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Liveability_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Liveability_Index [2] https://www.mercer.com/about/newsroom/zurich-offers-highest-quality-of-living-for-international-assignees-according-to-mercers-2024-quality-of-living-city-ranking/ https://www.mercer.com/about/newsroom/zurich-offers-highest-...
      - joe_mamba 7mo ago
        >Just about every QoL index around. [1] [2] What if random arbitrary QoL indexes made by corporations listed on the stock market don't match real world reality? Just look at how made those indexes like The Economist. Plus Austria has an allocated budget of spending taxpayer money on advertising to attract foreigners and tourists to come there. So given this, I can't take an index made by "the economist" in good faith as being an objective representation when it was most likely a paid ad disguised as access journalism like so many journalist pieces today. My experienced reality is a much better and objective index, thank you very much. >These are not QoL-related beyond pure income. Except that income lets you get better life for you and your family. There's no guarantee the government will always, or ever, have your back. And we are on a tech forum here after all, so obviously the QoL for tech workers matter most for me since people are driven by self interest, including you. If Vienna was better athan Amsterdam you'd see a lot more tech expats from HN come there instead of NL but they aren't, because work opportunities and money matters, and you won't be happy in an underpaid toxic tech job in any city regardless if it's Vienna who you believed has the best QoL even though you never lived there, but just because the stro turfed internet told you so. >California, NYC, London even. Except that unlike Amsterdam, none of those cities are in the EU therefore not accessible to EU labor, and we were talking about a sum in Euros.
        0x3f 7mo ago
        > What if random arbitrary QoL indexes don't match real world reality? That would be up to you to show. By default, I trust the Economist more than I trust a random guy. > Except that income lets you get better life for you and your family. We're in a thread about whether the non-monetary QoL aspects make up for less money. This is irrelevant. > Except that unlike Amsterdam, none of those cities are in the EU therefore not accessible to EU labor, and we were talking about a sum in Euros. First of all, at these levels you can move almost anywhere. It's not that difficult to get a visa for skilled work. Second, you said Europe. London is in Europe just fine. Talking about Euros hardly matters. Sweden and Switzerland are both part of Shengen, don't use Euros, but you could move there trivially. Zurich probably pays better and has better QoL as well.

joe_mamba 7mo ago

Still an amazing deal compared to the rates I got quoted by recruiters. I'm guessing you must first live in Amsterdam for that. In Vienna you get laugh if you asked for 120, and there you pay even more in taxes than NL.

alibarber 7mo ago
It's high but I mean that the developer is asking for 90, and 120 is leaving the employers pocket. 60-70 is then making it to the developer's pocket.
0x3f 7mo ago
Perhaps, but Vienna has better QoL so maybe it balances out at this level. If you want to just maximize income, there are better places for that than Amsterdam.
- joe_mamba 7mo ago
  >but Vienna has better QoL According to who? Visiting tourists rating amenities and people on welfare? NL infrastructure and tech jobs market is leagues beyond what Austria offers. >If you want to just maximize income, there are better places for that than Amsterdam. Like which?
  - 0x3f 7mo ago
    > According to who? Tourists? Just about every QoL index around. [1] [2] > NL infrastructure and tech jobs market is leagues beyond what Austria offers. These are not QoL-related beyond pure income. > Like which? California, NYC, London even. --- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Liveability_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Liveability_Index [2] https://www.mercer.com/about/newsroom/zurich-offers-highest-quality-of-living-for-international-assignees-according-to-mercers-2024-quality-of-living-city-ranking/ https://www.mercer.com/about/newsroom/zurich-offers-highest-...
    - joe_mamba 7mo ago
      >Just about every QoL index around. [1] [2] What if random arbitrary QoL indexes made by corporations listed on the stock market don't match real world reality? Just look at how made those indexes like The Economist. Plus Austria has an allocated budget of spending taxpayer money on advertising to attract foreigners and tourists to come there. So given this, I can't take an index made by "the economist" in good faith as being an objective representation when it was most likely a paid ad disguised as access journalism like so many journalist pieces today. My experienced reality is a much better and objective index, thank you very much. >These are not QoL-related beyond pure income. Except that income lets you get better life for you and your family. There's no guarantee the government will always, or ever, have your back. And we are on a tech forum here after all, so obviously the QoL for tech workers matter most for me since people are driven by self interest, including you. If Vienna was better athan Amsterdam you'd see a lot more tech expats from HN come there instead of NL but they aren't, because work opportunities and money matters, and you won't be happy in an underpaid toxic tech job in any city regardless if it's Vienna who you believed has the best QoL even though you never lived there, but just because the stro turfed internet told you so. >California, NYC, London even. Except that unlike Amsterdam, none of those cities are in the EU therefore not accessible to EU labor, and we were talking about a sum in Euros.
      - 0x3f 7mo ago
        > What if random arbitrary QoL indexes don't match real world reality? That would be up to you to show. By default, I trust the Economist more than I trust a random guy. > Except that income lets you get better life for you and your family. We're in a thread about whether the non-monetary QoL aspects make up for less money. This is irrelevant. > Except that unlike Amsterdam, none of those cities are in the EU therefore not accessible to EU labor, and we were talking about a sum in Euros. First of all, at these levels you can move almost anywhere. It's not that difficult to get a visa for skilled work. Second, you said Europe. London is in Europe just fine. Talking about Euros hardly matters. Sweden and Switzerland are both part of Shengen, don't use Euros, but you could move there trivially. Zurich probably pays better and has better QoL as well.