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We need a double-jeopardy-like constitutional amendment for legislation. Legislation once-tried and failed cannot be tried again.

krapp 7mo ago
That would be antithetical to democracy. The people must be allowed to introduce any legislation they want, as often as they want. Otherwise it would be trivial for a government to intentionally fail to pass anything they disagree with, and thus act as a de facto dictatorship.
- jagged-chisel 7mo ago
  Not to mention how would one even define "the same legislation"?
- dmitrygr 7mo ago
  When have "the people" been last consulted on this? Do you really think Chat Control has high public support? Given how most "democracies" work in our world today (which is to say with no consultation of the people), i think limiting their ability to do further harm might be worth it.
  - krapp 7mo ago
    This wouldn't limit the ability of governments to do harm, it would limit the ability of the people to mitigate that harm by giving them only one chance to ever do so. I don't think "democracy is flawed therefore we need less of it" is a good idea.
  - moffkalast 7mo ago
    The MEPs represent the people. They've just been consulted. They said no. Looking at what each of my MEPs voted they seemed to pretty accurately represent their own party lines, the right and far right voted for, left and center left voted against. I'm shocked! Shocked! Well not that shocked.
  - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
    > Do you really think Chat Control has high public support? Yes, I can absolutely see a majority in certain countries (e.g. Hungary) believing this is a fair compromise between security and privacy.
    - Saline9515 7mo ago
      Hungary is small and an outlier in the EU.
      - raron 7mo ago
        Based on EU's public consultation it is not even true (but the number of responses is very small) https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12726-Child-sexual-abuse-online-detection-removal-and-reporting/public-consultation_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-sa...
- Saline9515 7mo ago
  The current institution where the parliament is not able to choose which laws it votes is already not democratic. Such limitation would at least avoid the blatant gaming of the system.

krapp 7mo ago

That would be antithetical to democracy. The people must be allowed to introduce any legislation they want, as often as they want. Otherwise it would be trivial for a government to intentionally fail to pass anything they disagree with, and thus act as a de facto dictatorship.

jagged-chisel 7mo ago
Not to mention how would one even define "the same legislation"?
dmitrygr 7mo ago
When have "the people" been last consulted on this? Do you really think Chat Control has high public support? Given how most "democracies" work in our world today (which is to say with no consultation of the people), i think limiting their ability to do further harm might be worth it.
- krapp 7mo ago
  This wouldn't limit the ability of governments to do harm, it would limit the ability of the people to mitigate that harm by giving them only one chance to ever do so. I don't think "democracy is flawed therefore we need less of it" is a good idea.
- moffkalast 7mo ago
  The MEPs represent the people. They've just been consulted. They said no. Looking at what each of my MEPs voted they seemed to pretty accurately represent their own party lines, the right and far right voted for, left and center left voted against. I'm shocked! Shocked! Well not that shocked.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > Do you really think Chat Control has high public support? Yes, I can absolutely see a majority in certain countries (e.g. Hungary) believing this is a fair compromise between security and privacy.
  - Saline9515 7mo ago
    Hungary is small and an outlier in the EU.
    - raron 7mo ago
      Based on EU's public consultation it is not even true (but the number of responses is very small) https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12726-Child-sexual-abuse-online-detection-removal-and-reporting/public-consultation_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-sa...
Saline9515 7mo ago
The current institution where the parliament is not able to choose which laws it votes is already not democratic. Such limitation would at least avoid the blatant gaming of the system.