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If there's one thing I wish someone pointed out when I was just starting learning French is this: é - the accent is pointing up, so it's a higher-pitched e

If there's one thing I wish someone pointed out when I was just starting learning French is this: é - the accent is pointing up, so it's a higher-pitched e è - the accent is pointing down, so it's a lower-pitched e That's it. That's how it should be explained. * It's also in their names - aigu and grave, but this requires knowing what these words mean.

Muromec 7mo ago
> That's it. That's how it should be explained. That's contingent on your ability to imagine sounds doing ups and downs.
- huhtenberg 7mo ago
  Probably more on imaging / as going up and \ as going down. I'd think that associating pitch increase/decrease with up/down works for the vast majority of people without any second thought.
  - scrumper 7mo ago
    My first French teacher drew a picture of a smiling triangular-topped tombstone with long eyelashes on the blackboard, the word "acute" written up the left (ascending) side of the top and "grave" down the right hand side. A cute grave. Easy to remember. And fairly useless, since it doesn't help a whit with how to pronounce those accents.
_ache_ 7mo ago
And ê, when pronounced (most of the cases) it's just a è. ë, contrary as said in the article (full slop?) is the most complicated and with some exceptions. But there is so few words that use that letter that you just don't have to care. Just pronounce ë as è when its in (inside) a word and not pronounced at all when it's at the end. The only exception I can think of is canoë (pronounced conoé), but everybody will understand if you say cano.
- huhtenberg 7mo ago
  > ë What else is there with ë except for Noël and Israël ?
  - artwr 7mo ago
    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%A9ma_en_fran%C3%A7ais https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%A9ma_en_fran%C3%A7ais Some adjectives: aiguë, exiguë... (though a bunch are more commonly written with it on the ü instead) Some proper names: Gaël, Gwenaël, Ismaël
  - astrobe_ 7mo ago
    Ambiguë (ambiguous) and aiguë (acute) [1], but these are "old" spellings. For instance, this word "ambiguë" was changed in the 1990 spelling reform to "ambigüe" [2] probably to emphasis the fact that the U is not mute (because for most -gue words it is, like for "fatigue" in french and english). Like with ï and ü, the tréma mark is precisely the mark of an exception. [1] https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/ambigu%C3%AB https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/ambigu%C3%AB , https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/aigu%C3%AB https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/aigu%C3%AB [2] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ambig%C3%BCe https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ambig%C3%BCe
School-Cotton 7mo ago
I'm a non-native French speaker, but I am pretty confident that's not true. They are actually different sounds, not just the same sound at a different pitch. French is not a tonal language like Chinese. Pitch is not used to distinguish between different phonemes.

Muromec 7mo ago

> That's it. That's how it should be explained. That's contingent on your ability to imagine sounds doing ups and downs.

huhtenberg 7mo ago
Probably more on imaging / as going up and \ as going down. I'd think that associating pitch increase/decrease with up/down works for the vast majority of people without any second thought.
- scrumper 7mo ago
  My first French teacher drew a picture of a smiling triangular-topped tombstone with long eyelashes on the blackboard, the word "acute" written up the left (ascending) side of the top and "grave" down the right hand side. A cute grave. Easy to remember. And fairly useless, since it doesn't help a whit with how to pronounce those accents.

_ache_ 7mo ago

And ê, when pronounced (most of the cases) it's just a è. ë, contrary as said in the article (full slop?) is the most complicated and with some exceptions. But there is so few words that use that letter that you just don't have to care. Just pronounce ë as è when its in (inside) a word and not pronounced at all when it's at the end. The only exception I can think of is canoë (pronounced conoé), but everybody will understand if you say cano.

huhtenberg 7mo ago
> ë What else is there with ë except for Noël and Israël ?
- artwr 7mo ago
  https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%A9ma_en_fran%C3%A7ais https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%A9ma_en_fran%C3%A7ais Some adjectives: aiguë, exiguë... (though a bunch are more commonly written with it on the ü instead) Some proper names: Gaël, Gwenaël, Ismaël
- astrobe_ 7mo ago
  Ambiguë (ambiguous) and aiguë (acute) [1], but these are "old" spellings. For instance, this word "ambiguë" was changed in the 1990 spelling reform to "ambigüe" [2] probably to emphasis the fact that the U is not mute (because for most -gue words it is, like for "fatigue" in french and english). Like with ï and ü, the tréma mark is precisely the mark of an exception. [1] https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/ambigu%C3%AB https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/ambigu%C3%AB , https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/aigu%C3%AB https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/aigu%C3%AB [2] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ambig%C3%BCe https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ambig%C3%BCe

School-Cotton 7mo ago

I'm a non-native French speaker, but I am pretty confident that's not true. They are actually different sounds, not just the same sound at a different pitch. French is not a tonal language like Chinese. Pitch is not used to distinguish between different phonemes.