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Nice to see that democracy can work

baal80spam 6mo ago
See you next month!
nickslaughter02 6mo ago
> Nice to see that democracy can work Did it work? One political party (EPP) didn't like the result of the previous vote and so they forced a re-vote. > After the European Parliament had already rejected the indiscriminate and blanket Chat Control by US tech companies on 13 March, conservative forces attempted a democratically highly questionable maneuver yesterday to force a repeat vote to extend the law anyway. https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/end-of-chat-control-eu-parliament-stops-mass-surveillance-in-voting-thriller-paving-the-way-for-genuine-child-protection/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/end-of-chat-control-eu-parl...
- rsynnott 6mo ago
  Note that European parliament parties aren't particularly cohesive; some EPP members voted against it.
  - nickslaughter02 6mo ago
    > some EPP members voted against it 20 out of 184
    - olex 6mo ago
      Do I understand the voting / results wrong? Looking at this: https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270 https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270 The measure voted on is "Extension [of Chat Control 1.0]", it was voted 36% "for" and 49% "against" (so result is "against"), and looking at "Political groups", majority of EPP MEPs voted "against" (137 out of 164 votes).
      - rsynnott 6mo ago
        I think the point of confusion is that there was an amendment before the final vote, which was way closer.
- Sharlin 6mo ago
  EPP is appalling and I'm revolted that many large so-called "moderate, centre-right, liberal-conservative" parties are happily part of it and indeed actively pushing extremely anti-citizen, anti-human agendas with the help of the far right. (Edit: word choice)
  - Noumenon72 6mo ago
    Site guidelines: "Please don't fulminate."
  - modo_mario 6mo ago
    > with the help of the far right. S&D voted even more for this than the conservatives themselves. ESN the least.
  - rcbdev 6mo ago
    Did you even look at the voting pattern? The far right was completely against it or extremely split on the issue.
- pqtyw 6mo ago
  But the vote failed only because the EPP voted against it? Or did they mix up the buttons or something? https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270 https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270
  - nickslaughter02 6mo ago
    EPP wanted indiscriminate scanning instead, not targeted one.
Kenji 6mo ago
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See you next month!

> Nice to see that democracy can work Did it work? One political party (EPP) didn't like the result of the previous vote and so they forced a re-vote. > After the European Parliament had already rejected the indiscriminate and blanket Chat Control by US tech companies on 13 March, conservative forces attempted a democratically highly questionable maneuver yesterday to force a repeat vote to extend the law anyway. https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/end-of-chat-control-eu-parliament-stops-mass-surveillance-in-voting-thriller-paving-the-way-for-genuine-child-protection/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/end-of-chat-control-eu-parl...

rsynnott 6mo ago
Note that European parliament parties aren't particularly cohesive; some EPP members voted against it.
- nickslaughter02 6mo ago
  > some EPP members voted against it 20 out of 184
  - olex 6mo ago
    Do I understand the voting / results wrong? Looking at this: https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270 https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270 The measure voted on is "Extension [of Chat Control 1.0]", it was voted 36% "for" and 49% "against" (so result is "against"), and looking at "Political groups", majority of EPP MEPs voted "against" (137 out of 164 votes).
    - rsynnott 6mo ago
      I think the point of confusion is that there was an amendment before the final vote, which was way closer.
Sharlin 6mo ago
EPP is appalling and I'm revolted that many large so-called "moderate, centre-right, liberal-conservative" parties are happily part of it and indeed actively pushing extremely anti-citizen, anti-human agendas with the help of the far right. (Edit: word choice)
- Noumenon72 6mo ago
  Site guidelines: "Please don't fulminate."
- modo_mario 6mo ago
  > with the help of the far right. S&D voted even more for this than the conservatives themselves. ESN the least.
- rcbdev 6mo ago
  Did you even look at the voting pattern? The far right was completely against it or extremely split on the issue.
pqtyw 6mo ago
But the vote failed only because the EPP voted against it? Or did they mix up the buttons or something? https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270 https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270
- nickslaughter02 6mo ago
  EPP wanted indiscriminate scanning instead, not targeted one.

Kenji 6mo ago

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