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I am not so happy, it is really a surprise to me the battery life. I mean you mention all day work? men, my framework laptop with Intel Ultra 5 just work for 2

I am not so happy, it is really a surprise to me the battery life. I mean you mention all day work? men, my framework laptop with Intel Ultra 5 just work for 2 hours maximum from I bought it, I also have problems with touchpad (support send me a new one) and the heat is a real problem. I mean, I just have to manage the laptop in battery save mode, otherwise the cpu temp easy get 100 degrees or more doing normal work. Still, I am really surprised about your battery duration.

eigenspace 6mo ago
2 hours? That's crazy. I regularly get 6-7 hours of coding done without charging on my Framework 13 linux with an AMD 7840 chip in the power-saving setting. Do you have some sort of background process eating up your battery or something? Maybe cloud sync or something that's too aggressive? I also have no heat problems unless I'm gaming...
- aurareturn 6mo ago
  Power-saving setting. Isn't that slow and laggy?
  - eigenspace 6mo ago
    Not really, no. These CPUs are very fast. Giving them a lower power budget is usually not noticable. For regular tasks like web browsing and coding I cannot notice any difference. The only times I really notice it is when I try to benchmark a piece of code and the benchmark comes out ~30-40% slower than expected, and then I remember that I'm power saving mode. But I just have to hit one button on my dock to switch profiles.
    - aurareturn 6mo ago
      https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/17300000?baseline=13733201 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/17300000?baseli... If power savings drops perf by further 30%, then an M5 is 2.26x in ST faster while on battery. Massive difference in snappiness. 2.26x faster and 3-4x more battery life for the Mac.
      - eigenspace 6mo ago
        As I said though, the computer is already so snappy and fast that I don't notice the difference between the power saving profile and the high performance profile for anything but benchmarking and gaming. Even taking the Geekbench numbers at face value (which would be stupid), saying that another computer is 2.26x faster at something that I don't notice the speed is not interesting to me at all. More battery life is of course great, but to be honest 6-7 hours away from the wall is more than enough for me. All else equal, I'd of course love to have a computer with a slicker design, more performance, and more battery life, but some things are just more important to me. I like being able to repair and upgrade my computer, and I like to have first class linux support. Those two things just make a much bigger difference to me personally.
        aurareturn 6mo ago
        I suppose if it works for you, that's great. But I find even an M4 will lag sometimes when coding.
        eigenspace 6mo ago
        The question though is if those lags you're noticing have anything to do with CPU or GPU performance. My editor and web browser are basically never CPU or GPU bound in their performance. If you notice a hitch when doing something, that's almost certainly because the computer is fetching data from your SSD that's not hot in the RAM or CPU cache. Clocking the CPU higher won't help with that at all.
        aurareturn 6mo ago
        SSD isn't a problem. Web browsing, for example, is affected by ST performance. So is compiling, running tests, etc.
- achayala 6mo ago
  Ok, I did some tests again and the battery life says is 90%. I was able to work for a bit more than 3 hours. Still this is the half you can work :o I run debian, with backports enable for run the newest kernel version. I have syncthing running, but I think this is not a big problem. Fan run hard when doing work, otherwise it is quiet. All this in KDE battery save profile mode. I don't know, maybe battery have something wrong? I was looking the framework page, and it says "The 61Wh battery retains up to 80% capacity after 1,000 cycles of use. ". Mine has 142 change-cycles and it is at 91%!!
HereBeBeasties 6mo ago
Does it run the fans hard even when not chewing CPU? Sounds like perhaps a thermal issue - there are guides on repasting/padding heatsinks online; you might want to try that.

eigenspace 6mo ago

2 hours? That's crazy. I regularly get 6-7 hours of coding done without charging on my Framework 13 linux with an AMD 7840 chip in the power-saving setting. Do you have some sort of background process eating up your battery or something? Maybe cloud sync or something that's too aggressive? I also have no heat problems unless I'm gaming...

aurareturn 6mo ago
Power-saving setting. Isn't that slow and laggy?
- eigenspace 6mo ago
  Not really, no. These CPUs are very fast. Giving them a lower power budget is usually not noticable. For regular tasks like web browsing and coding I cannot notice any difference. The only times I really notice it is when I try to benchmark a piece of code and the benchmark comes out ~30-40% slower than expected, and then I remember that I'm power saving mode. But I just have to hit one button on my dock to switch profiles.
  - aurareturn 6mo ago
    https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/17300000?baseline=13733201 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/17300000?baseli... If power savings drops perf by further 30%, then an M5 is 2.26x in ST faster while on battery. Massive difference in snappiness. 2.26x faster and 3-4x more battery life for the Mac.
    - eigenspace 6mo ago
      As I said though, the computer is already so snappy and fast that I don't notice the difference between the power saving profile and the high performance profile for anything but benchmarking and gaming. Even taking the Geekbench numbers at face value (which would be stupid), saying that another computer is 2.26x faster at something that I don't notice the speed is not interesting to me at all. More battery life is of course great, but to be honest 6-7 hours away from the wall is more than enough for me. All else equal, I'd of course love to have a computer with a slicker design, more performance, and more battery life, but some things are just more important to me. I like being able to repair and upgrade my computer, and I like to have first class linux support. Those two things just make a much bigger difference to me personally.
      - aurareturn 6mo ago
        I suppose if it works for you, that's great. But I find even an M4 will lag sometimes when coding.
        eigenspace 6mo ago
        The question though is if those lags you're noticing have anything to do with CPU or GPU performance. My editor and web browser are basically never CPU or GPU bound in their performance. If you notice a hitch when doing something, that's almost certainly because the computer is fetching data from your SSD that's not hot in the RAM or CPU cache. Clocking the CPU higher won't help with that at all.
        aurareturn 6mo ago
        SSD isn't a problem. Web browsing, for example, is affected by ST performance. So is compiling, running tests, etc.
achayala 6mo ago
Ok, I did some tests again and the battery life says is 90%. I was able to work for a bit more than 3 hours. Still this is the half you can work :o I run debian, with backports enable for run the newest kernel version. I have syncthing running, but I think this is not a big problem. Fan run hard when doing work, otherwise it is quiet. All this in KDE battery save profile mode. I don't know, maybe battery have something wrong? I was looking the framework page, and it says "The 61Wh battery retains up to 80% capacity after 1,000 cycles of use. ". Mine has 142 change-cycles and it is at 91%!!

HereBeBeasties 6mo ago

Does it run the fans hard even when not chewing CPU? Sounds like perhaps a thermal issue - there are guides on repasting/padding heatsinks online; you might want to try that.