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ooooh you're one of _those_. america is for the white's. immigrants should assimilate to Our Western Culture types. like it or not, those immigrants are your c

ooooh you're one of _those_. america is for the white's. immigrants should assimilate to Our Western Culture types. like it or not, those immigrants are your countrymen now. they have an equal vote to you. learn to coexist and compromise. that's the spirit of this country. i don't see any degradation of America here. should've known better than to engage. that type is always in bad faith (sartre quote blah blah blah)

tastyface 7mo ago
Weirdly, he is (IIRC) a first generation Bangladeshi immigrant with mixed race kids. Not sure how it all makes sense in his head. I imagine that someday his kids will read his archived comment history and feel embarrassed.
- rayiner 7mo ago
  > he is (IIRC) a first generation Bangladeshi immigrant Right, so someone who understands that Bangladesh is the way it is in large part due to Bangladeshi culture. I’m not raising my kids with any foreign identity or culture, just like my parents didn’t raise me with any foreign identity. My dad doesn’t own a Bangladeshi flag and thinks calling him a hyphenated American makes him a second class citizen. The view that “brown people” have to cling to the culture of some dysfunctional country they left—waving around the flag of a country their ancestors built into something they had to leave—is one that was dormant when I was growing up, fortunately for me. > mixed race kids The concept of “mixed race” is a vile holdover from segregation. It’s a way of designating something superficial as meaningful. We don’t talk about “mixed eye color kids.” Luckily for my kids, all three came out three different colors, so they understand intuitively that skin color is just about how much their mom attacks them with sunscreen and isn’t an identity. > I imagine that someday his kids will read his archived comment history and feel embarrassed. My kids unfortunately will be reading this from an America where mass immigration without assimilation has led to political factionalism and dysfunction. A place that’s more like Syria or Iraq, where people vote based on group membership than individual preferences. And they’ll unfortunately know I was right.
  - tastyface 7mo ago
    It's strange you seem to carry water for a political movement that very expressly wants to remove you, your family, and probably your kids in favor of the "heritage" white population. You will never be American enough for them. The DHS official account and, most recently, Greg Bovino have cited 100 million as the number of people they want to deport -- far in excess of the undocumented/illegal population. Also, *this* is the kind of shit that I'd expect from third world failed states, not whatever tepid/centrist policies the Democrats are trying to push: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-receives-yet-another-prize-015717197.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-receives-yet-anoth... I genuinely hope that you and your kids have a great future in this country. Politically, that's what I'm fighting for. The Republican white nationalist fever dream is not the America I grew up in and once admired.
    - rayiner 7mo ago
      The woke right isn’t going to take over the GOP and turn America into Utah again. TACO Trump is already chickening out on deportations. But mainstream Democrats maintaining their current course may very well turn the country into Queens. And I’m sorry Queens reminds me too much of Bangladesh, the chaos and disorder and political dysfunction. The third-worldian appeals to group identity, emotions, and “justice.” At that point you might as well deport me.
      - tastyface 7mo ago
        As someone whose culture and religion deviate from those of Republicans, I'm much more terrified of any movement along the axis towards "turning American into Utah¹" than "turning America into Queens" -- on behalf of both myself and my brown neighbors. Also, I'd happily argue that anyone who loathes Queens should be ashamed of calling themselves an American. For as long as I've been around, Queens has been far more representative of the US and its promise than white middle America. ¹ (Strange example to pick given that Mormonism is pretty far removed from Evangelical Christianity, but whatever.)
        7mo ago
rayiner 7mo ago
You didn’t answer my hypothetical. What would you do if the GOP figured out how to flood the city where you live with people from rural Alabama, to the degree where they started shifting the balance in the government? > one of those immigrants should assimilate to Our Western Culture types. Yes, obviously! The idea that immigrants need not assimilate was a fringe idea even in my now-blue suburb of Virginia just a few decades ago. Yes, immigrants should adopt Anglo-American culture. They should raise their kids the way Anglos raise their kids. Anglo culture is the common thread between Britain, the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and to a degree Hong Kong and Singapore. That’s a fucking incredible track record. > they have an equal vote to you. learn to coexist and compromise. that's the spirit of this country No, the spirit of the country is where British americans forced everyone who came after them to assimilate into Anglo culture. Insofar as you can say the mass immigration experiment has previously worked in American history, it was done under a regime of forced assimilation. And the last time we had the foreign born population this high, we had a 40+ year period of immigration restriction to Anglicize all of them. What we’re doing now—with people like you implying that assimilation is a bad word—has been tried before. It’s actually common all over the world in places like Iraq, Syria, etc. It’s ethnocultural factionalism, and it’s disastrous. In Iraq you can easily predict how people will vote based on which group they belong to. It’s not real democracy.
- zzrrt 7mo ago
  > In Iraq you can easily predict how people will vote based on which group they belong to. It’s not real democracy. What is democracy then? On what reasons are people allowed to base their vote on? I don’t think it's possible to cleanse your brain of every iota of cultural, ethnic, or religious background and just vote as "yourself." Your preferences are melded, in part, by your group identity. And you think decades ago before your suburb was "corrupted" by anti-assimilation, that people's group identity didn't predict how they voted? I think you can find a poll link to disprove that. At the least there were probably some Black people voting how Black Americans tended to, or maybe another ethnicity in your area. So your complaint is nonsensical to me, or at least it’s been a "problem" for decades longer than you say. Was the 15th Amendment the start of the problem, to you? A bunch of unassimilated non-Anglos were dumped into the voting pool en masse, only to get worse with the 19th and a bunch more people who were different than the dominant voting base were added.

tastyface 7mo ago

Weirdly, he is (IIRC) a first generation Bangladeshi immigrant with mixed race kids. Not sure how it all makes sense in his head. I imagine that someday his kids will read his archived comment history and feel embarrassed.

rayiner 7mo ago
> he is (IIRC) a first generation Bangladeshi immigrant Right, so someone who understands that Bangladesh is the way it is in large part due to Bangladeshi culture. I’m not raising my kids with any foreign identity or culture, just like my parents didn’t raise me with any foreign identity. My dad doesn’t own a Bangladeshi flag and thinks calling him a hyphenated American makes him a second class citizen. The view that “brown people” have to cling to the culture of some dysfunctional country they left—waving around the flag of a country their ancestors built into something they had to leave—is one that was dormant when I was growing up, fortunately for me. > mixed race kids The concept of “mixed race” is a vile holdover from segregation. It’s a way of designating something superficial as meaningful. We don’t talk about “mixed eye color kids.” Luckily for my kids, all three came out three different colors, so they understand intuitively that skin color is just about how much their mom attacks them with sunscreen and isn’t an identity. > I imagine that someday his kids will read his archived comment history and feel embarrassed. My kids unfortunately will be reading this from an America where mass immigration without assimilation has led to political factionalism and dysfunction. A place that’s more like Syria or Iraq, where people vote based on group membership than individual preferences. And they’ll unfortunately know I was right.
- tastyface 7mo ago
  It's strange you seem to carry water for a political movement that very expressly wants to remove you, your family, and probably your kids in favor of the "heritage" white population. You will never be American enough for them. The DHS official account and, most recently, Greg Bovino have cited 100 million as the number of people they want to deport -- far in excess of the undocumented/illegal population. Also, *this* is the kind of shit that I'd expect from third world failed states, not whatever tepid/centrist policies the Democrats are trying to push: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-receives-yet-another-prize-015717197.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-receives-yet-anoth... I genuinely hope that you and your kids have a great future in this country. Politically, that's what I'm fighting for. The Republican white nationalist fever dream is not the America I grew up in and once admired.
  - rayiner 7mo ago
    The woke right isn’t going to take over the GOP and turn America into Utah again. TACO Trump is already chickening out on deportations. But mainstream Democrats maintaining their current course may very well turn the country into Queens. And I’m sorry Queens reminds me too much of Bangladesh, the chaos and disorder and political dysfunction. The third-worldian appeals to group identity, emotions, and “justice.” At that point you might as well deport me.
    - tastyface 7mo ago
      As someone whose culture and religion deviate from those of Republicans, I'm much more terrified of any movement along the axis towards "turning American into Utah¹" than "turning America into Queens" -- on behalf of both myself and my brown neighbors. Also, I'd happily argue that anyone who loathes Queens should be ashamed of calling themselves an American. For as long as I've been around, Queens has been far more representative of the US and its promise than white middle America. ¹ (Strange example to pick given that Mormonism is pretty far removed from Evangelical Christianity, but whatever.)
      - 7mo ago

rayiner 7mo ago

You didn’t answer my hypothetical. What would you do if the GOP figured out how to flood the city where you live with people from rural Alabama, to the degree where they started shifting the balance in the government? > one of those immigrants should assimilate to Our Western Culture types. Yes, obviously! The idea that immigrants need not assimilate was a fringe idea even in my now-blue suburb of Virginia just a few decades ago. Yes, immigrants should adopt Anglo-American culture. They should raise their kids the way Anglos raise their kids. Anglo culture is the common thread between Britain, the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and to a degree Hong Kong and Singapore. That’s a fucking incredible track record. > they have an equal vote to you. learn to coexist and compromise. that's the spirit of this country No, the spirit of the country is where British americans forced everyone who came after them to assimilate into Anglo culture. Insofar as you can say the mass immigration experiment has previously worked in American history, it was done under a regime of forced assimilation. And the last time we had the foreign born population this high, we had a 40+ year period of immigration restriction to Anglicize all of them. What we’re doing now—with people like you implying that assimilation is a bad word—has been tried before. It’s actually common all over the world in places like Iraq, Syria, etc. It’s ethnocultural factionalism, and it’s disastrous. In Iraq you can easily predict how people will vote based on which group they belong to. It’s not real democracy.

zzrrt 7mo ago
> In Iraq you can easily predict how people will vote based on which group they belong to. It’s not real democracy. What is democracy then? On what reasons are people allowed to base their vote on? I don’t think it's possible to cleanse your brain of every iota of cultural, ethnic, or religious background and just vote as "yourself." Your preferences are melded, in part, by your group identity. And you think decades ago before your suburb was "corrupted" by anti-assimilation, that people's group identity didn't predict how they voted? I think you can find a poll link to disprove that. At the least there were probably some Black people voting how Black Americans tended to, or maybe another ethnicity in your area. So your complaint is nonsensical to me, or at least it’s been a "problem" for decades longer than you say. Was the 15th Amendment the start of the problem, to you? A bunch of unassimilated non-Anglos were dumped into the voting pool en masse, only to get worse with the 19th and a bunch more people who were different than the dominant voting base were added.