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> and to Tesla's credit they have amazing free docs Not to Tesla's credit, they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into it (primarily by Massachusetts) an

> and to Tesla's credit they have amazing free docs Not to Tesla's credit, they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into it (primarily by Massachusetts) and their right to repair legislation through a solid chunk of malicious compliance: 1. When told that they had to have a site for people to order parts, Tesla put up a site that had every single item as "Call us", including the most simple of bolts. And when a few places called, "Sorry, that's not available to you". 2. The service manual was originally only available in a few locations in MA, and had strict conditions: you had to book in advance, there was a $100 fee per booking, and you could only view the manual on premises, and could not bring electronic devices into the room with you, just pen and paper. The docs they have are great, and who knows how their attitude would have changed over time, but they absolutely didn't want you to have it, initially.

cluckindan 7mo ago
Tesla treated the service manual like congress treats certain recently surfaced files.
creantum 7mo ago
Wrong. They’ve always been open, even with their patents too. All free to use, no royalties
- FireBeyond 7mo ago
  Confidently incorrect. https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/utivlj/tesla_service_manuals_are_now_free_get_yours/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/utivlj/tesla_s... > This used to cost $3187.50 https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-service-manuals-free-again/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-service-manuals-free-... > The access story has been inconsistent over the years. Tesla has opened up free access to both the service manuals and diagnostic software in the past, but that was apparently a mistake, and loopholes were quickly closed. https://www.teslaownersonline.com/threads/tesla-service-manuals-are-free-again.22533/ https://www.teslaownersonline.com/threads/tesla-service-manu... "Always ... all free to use". Not so much. And before that, even less available. I will grant you for number 2, there seems to be some ambiguity - some people claimed it was only if you needed to actually use their diagnostic tools, because Tesla wouldn't sell them to anyone at the time (which is also in contradiction to your "everything you need, all free, always").
  - creantum 7mo ago
    Diagnostic tools are built into every car and free, service mode is amazing. No other car manufacturer does that.
    - FireBeyond 7mo ago
      Elementary diagnostic tools are free. If you think this is actual diagnostic tools? No. Free? Weird that Tesla offers a subscription for it: https://service.tesla.com/en-US/diagnostic-software https://service.tesla.com/en-US/diagnostic-software $700/year is a strange definition of "free". You seem to miss my point. The OP wanted to pat Tesla on the back for their amazing commitment to freeness and openness. My point was that even if they are doing good/much better now, much of the time they had to be dragged kicking and screaming to it. MA's AG had to wave the right-to-repair laws. It's not uncommon knowledge that third party repairs have been, for years, difficult to impossible because Tesla wouldn't supply either the information or the parts to third parties. I'm not sure why, in the face of repeated evidence otherwise, you seem determined to retcon those details out of existence.
      - creantum 7mo ago
        No, you’re wrong. I have a Tesla and service mode is free and amazing, I can look at any system and subsystems with it, look at logs, and do testing, all from the built in touch screen all for free. No other car manufacturer comes close. Not sure why you hate Tesla so much and are so bent on spreading false information. Maybe you should help save the planet and get one.
        FireBeyond 7mo ago
        Maybe you should read Tesla's own documentation. The service mode you have is an elementary version of diagnostics. There is an actual diagnostics mode that costs $700/year to have access to. Again, since you plainly didn't read it: https://service.tesla.com/en-US/diagnostic-software https://service.tesla.com/en-US/diagnostic-software service.tesla.com - if I'm spreading false information, so is Tesla. Oops.
kube-system 7mo ago
Well the AG has a lot of work to do then, because basically all other manufacturers are charging thousands for any sort of diagnostic manuals GM service manuals for instance are $1,344.00/year. Ford service manuals are $2,834.95/year. Honda service manuals are $1,500/year. Hyundai charges $600/year. Toyota service manuals are a steal, they only charge $580/year.

cluckindan 7mo ago

Tesla treated the service manual like congress treats certain recently surfaced files.

creantum 7mo ago

Wrong. They’ve always been open, even with their patents too. All free to use, no royalties

FireBeyond 7mo ago
Confidently incorrect. https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/utivlj/tesla_service_manuals_are_now_free_get_yours/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/utivlj/tesla_s... > This used to cost $3187.50 https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-service-manuals-free-again/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-service-manuals-free-... > The access story has been inconsistent over the years. Tesla has opened up free access to both the service manuals and diagnostic software in the past, but that was apparently a mistake, and loopholes were quickly closed. https://www.teslaownersonline.com/threads/tesla-service-manuals-are-free-again.22533/ https://www.teslaownersonline.com/threads/tesla-service-manu... "Always ... all free to use". Not so much. And before that, even less available. I will grant you for number 2, there seems to be some ambiguity - some people claimed it was only if you needed to actually use their diagnostic tools, because Tesla wouldn't sell them to anyone at the time (which is also in contradiction to your "everything you need, all free, always").
- creantum 7mo ago
  Diagnostic tools are built into every car and free, service mode is amazing. No other car manufacturer does that.
  - FireBeyond 7mo ago
    Elementary diagnostic tools are free. If you think this is actual diagnostic tools? No. Free? Weird that Tesla offers a subscription for it: https://service.tesla.com/en-US/diagnostic-software https://service.tesla.com/en-US/diagnostic-software $700/year is a strange definition of "free". You seem to miss my point. The OP wanted to pat Tesla on the back for their amazing commitment to freeness and openness. My point was that even if they are doing good/much better now, much of the time they had to be dragged kicking and screaming to it. MA's AG had to wave the right-to-repair laws. It's not uncommon knowledge that third party repairs have been, for years, difficult to impossible because Tesla wouldn't supply either the information or the parts to third parties. I'm not sure why, in the face of repeated evidence otherwise, you seem determined to retcon those details out of existence.
    - creantum 7mo ago
      No, you’re wrong. I have a Tesla and service mode is free and amazing, I can look at any system and subsystems with it, look at logs, and do testing, all from the built in touch screen all for free. No other car manufacturer comes close. Not sure why you hate Tesla so much and are so bent on spreading false information. Maybe you should help save the planet and get one.
      - FireBeyond 7mo ago
        Maybe you should read Tesla's own documentation. The service mode you have is an elementary version of diagnostics. There is an actual diagnostics mode that costs $700/year to have access to. Again, since you plainly didn't read it: https://service.tesla.com/en-US/diagnostic-software https://service.tesla.com/en-US/diagnostic-software service.tesla.com - if I'm spreading false information, so is Tesla. Oops.

kube-system 7mo ago

Well the AG has a lot of work to do then, because basically all other manufacturers are charging thousands for any sort of diagnostic manuals GM service manuals for instance are $1,344.00/year. Ford service manuals are $2,834.95/year. Honda service manuals are $1,500/year. Hyundai charges $600/year. Toyota service manuals are a steal, they only charge $580/year.