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This is the type of stuff Ukraine has been doing against Russian assets. It's effectifve asymmetrical warfare when you lose air superiority. We may even need t

This is the type of stuff Ukraine has been doing against Russian assets. It's effectifve asymmetrical warfare when you lose air superiority. We may even need to revisit what air superiority means in the age of long range, relatively stealthy drones that are cheap to produce using widely available tech. I also would expect Russian and Chinese Satellite intel being fed to Iran to locate these types of targets, again exactly like how the NATO powers have been providing intel to Ukraine.

AlecSchueler 7mo ago
Russia for sure but why would China take such an active position?
- lejalv 7mo ago
  Because how much oil they (used to) get from Iran
- carefree-bob 7mo ago
  China is allied with Iran and has long term trade relations with the country, importing large amounts of oil from Iran, and supplying Iran with air defense systems and other military and economic support. China also views the US as a strategic rival and would love the opportunity to take us down a peg. Don't think that America's strategic opponents -- Russia, North Korea, Iran, China, Algeria do not provide some mutual support, even if for purposes of survival, and view the US as threat. We have already taken out Venezuela, Lybia, Syria and flipped Armenia. Cuba, Iran are next on our radar, but we are active all over the world trying to flip pro-Russian/pro-Chinese governments to pro-US governments.
- rurp 7mo ago
  China views the US as an adversary. They would very much like to reduce America's sphere of influence and are cognizant of the fact that we might end up in a war in the medium term future. The US bleeding immense amounts of money and military assets in Iran is great for China's relative strength; it's in their interest to increase those costs in ways that don't escalate immediate tensions with America. Sharing targeting and other intel is one of the more effective ways of doing that.
  - AlecSchueler 7mo ago
    > Sharing targeting and other intel is one of the more effective ways of doing that. In what way would that not immediately escalate tensions?
    - tpm 7mo ago
      And what would the US do with that 'tension'? FWIW China is already helping Russia in their war against Ukraine and the West for several years. What did the US do? Nothing at all. Credible sources claim it's very likely Iran is working with Chinese satellite data (that is also possibly available commercially but they would be unlikely allowed to obtain it without government approval). That of course in addition to Russian help that the US knows very well about and does, again, nothing at all.
      - AlecSchueler 7mo ago
        > And what would the US do with that 'tension'? I'm responding to the assertion that they would choose this route specifically to avoid increasing tensions. > That of course in addition to Russian help that the US knows very well about and does, again, nothing at all. Isn't the US currently involved in a trade war and toppling various administrations around the world due to these tensions?
        tpm 7mo ago
        I don't know - is allowing the sale of previously sanctioned Russian oil a trade war? > Isn't the US currently involved in a trade war and toppling various administrations around the world due to these tensions? Which administrations? They are verbally attacking the UK, Germany, Spain, Denmark, Canada, raising and lowering tariffs randomly, if there is some grand plan in all of this it's hidden very well. Of course I know about Venezuela and Cuba, but it's quite a stretch to claim that the US is aggressive towards them because of the tensions with Russia or China. If there was a coherent strategy, support for Ukraine would be a big part of that, but US support has ceased in the last year.
- bigbadfeline 7mo ago
  China depends on Iranian oil, I'm pretty sure they view that war as an attack on China by proxy, it's a big deal.
aaron695 7mo ago
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AlecSchueler 7mo ago

Russia for sure but why would China take such an active position?

lejalv 7mo ago
Because how much oil they (used to) get from Iran
carefree-bob 7mo ago
China is allied with Iran and has long term trade relations with the country, importing large amounts of oil from Iran, and supplying Iran with air defense systems and other military and economic support. China also views the US as a strategic rival and would love the opportunity to take us down a peg. Don't think that America's strategic opponents -- Russia, North Korea, Iran, China, Algeria do not provide some mutual support, even if for purposes of survival, and view the US as threat. We have already taken out Venezuela, Lybia, Syria and flipped Armenia. Cuba, Iran are next on our radar, but we are active all over the world trying to flip pro-Russian/pro-Chinese governments to pro-US governments.
rurp 7mo ago
China views the US as an adversary. They would very much like to reduce America's sphere of influence and are cognizant of the fact that we might end up in a war in the medium term future. The US bleeding immense amounts of money and military assets in Iran is great for China's relative strength; it's in their interest to increase those costs in ways that don't escalate immediate tensions with America. Sharing targeting and other intel is one of the more effective ways of doing that.
- AlecSchueler 7mo ago
  > Sharing targeting and other intel is one of the more effective ways of doing that. In what way would that not immediately escalate tensions?
  - tpm 7mo ago
    And what would the US do with that 'tension'? FWIW China is already helping Russia in their war against Ukraine and the West for several years. What did the US do? Nothing at all. Credible sources claim it's very likely Iran is working with Chinese satellite data (that is also possibly available commercially but they would be unlikely allowed to obtain it without government approval). That of course in addition to Russian help that the US knows very well about and does, again, nothing at all.
    - AlecSchueler 7mo ago
      > And what would the US do with that 'tension'? I'm responding to the assertion that they would choose this route specifically to avoid increasing tensions. > That of course in addition to Russian help that the US knows very well about and does, again, nothing at all. Isn't the US currently involved in a trade war and toppling various administrations around the world due to these tensions?
      - tpm 7mo ago
        I don't know - is allowing the sale of previously sanctioned Russian oil a trade war? > Isn't the US currently involved in a trade war and toppling various administrations around the world due to these tensions? Which administrations? They are verbally attacking the UK, Germany, Spain, Denmark, Canada, raising and lowering tariffs randomly, if there is some grand plan in all of this it's hidden very well. Of course I know about Venezuela and Cuba, but it's quite a stretch to claim that the US is aggressive towards them because of the tensions with Russia or China. If there was a coherent strategy, support for Ukraine would be a big part of that, but US support has ceased in the last year.
bigbadfeline 7mo ago
China depends on Iranian oil, I'm pretty sure they view that war as an attack on China by proxy, it's a big deal.

aaron695 7mo ago

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