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Did you watch the movie? Those reviews are manipulated... Do you believe in the concept of objectivity? Meaning some movies are Objectively better than others,

by inaros 7mo ago

Did you watch the movie? Those reviews are manipulated... Do you believe in the concept of objectivity? Meaning some movies are Objectively better than others, some Reviews are Objectively better than other? If I bring a bunch of kids and teens to the movie, and at the end they all cant stop talking about how much they loved the rock, should I give an Oscar to Ryan Gosling?

ceejayoz 7mo ago
> Do you believe in the concept of objectivity? Meaning some movies are Objectively better than others, some Reviews are Objectively better than other? In this context? Absolutely not. One person's favorite movie is another's least. > If I bring a bunch of kids and teens to the movie, and at the end they all cant stop talking about how much they loved the rock, should I give an Oscar to Ryan Gosling? It's OK for a movie to not be an Oscar contender.
- inaros 7mo ago
  IMDB has it at a 8.5/10 I am happy we can agree those metrics mean nothing...
  - ceejayoz 7mo ago
    As I said an hour ago, to you: > 100% of online reviews should be treated as manipulated. IMDb is review bombed to shit, both positive and negative.
throw0101d 7mo ago
> Do you believe in the concept of objectivity? When it comes to the concept of entertainment? No. Is the 2003 movie The Room (written/directed/produced by Tommy Wiseau) "objectively" good or bad? * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Room https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Room If it is "objectively" 'bad' why do (many) people have such a good time watching it? Are they "objectively" happier after watching The Room? Are people "objectively" happier after watching Project Hail Mary? What is the purpose of "art": in general and/or particular works of it?
- inaros 7mo ago
  >>When it comes to the concept of entertainment? No. You are confusing taste and quality.... If there is no objectivity....then you would have no basis to explain why a film is better or worse than another, A student first iPhone short would be equal to The Godfather. A child banging pots would be indistinguishable from a Symphony. The moment you say something is good or bad, we can talk about craft, skill, storytelling structure and emotional impact, all of which can be measured and compared and where this movie fails on all parameters... You can personally dislike something excellent...for example few people can appreciate the genius of Miles Davis, and enjoy something mediocre... Too many to quote here...but Project Hail Mary is one :-)
  - ceejayoz 7mo ago
    > If there is no objectivity....then you would have no basis to explain why a film is better or worse than another This is indeed the case. You can consult many film experts and get very different top ten lists. Some critics may hate The Godfather. Some won't get Citizen Kane. Some love a good popcorn fluff movie and find this year's Oscar contenders pretentious. It becomes a matter of general consensus. And that consensus appears to be that it's a pretty satisfying movie; https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/project_hail_mary https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/project_hail_mary. (High art? No. But that wasn't its goal.)
    - inaros 7mo ago
      You say there is no objectivity, but then you immediately appeal to consensus, Rotten Tomatoes scores, and whether the film achieved its goal :-)) Those are all attempts at objective measurement. You are using objective frameworks to argue objectivity does not exist. :-) The fact that critics disagree does not prove there is no objectivity. People disagree about scientific questions too, but that does not mean science is purely subjective. Disagreement just means the question is hard, not that there is no answer... The whole reason you cited that score is because you believe it points to something real about the film quality. That is an appeal to objectivity whether you realize it or not. :-) I argue those manipulated reviews [1] are not... [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47520761 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47520761

by inaros 7mo ago

ceejayoz 7mo ago

> Do you believe in the concept of objectivity? Meaning some movies are Objectively better than others, some Reviews are Objectively better than other? In this context? Absolutely not. One person's favorite movie is another's least. > If I bring a bunch of kids and teens to the movie, and at the end they all cant stop talking about how much they loved the rock, should I give an Oscar to Ryan Gosling? It's OK for a movie to not be an Oscar contender.

inaros 7mo ago
IMDB has it at a 8.5/10 I am happy we can agree those metrics mean nothing...
- ceejayoz 7mo ago
  As I said an hour ago, to you: > 100% of online reviews should be treated as manipulated. IMDb is review bombed to shit, both positive and negative.

throw0101d 7mo ago

> Do you believe in the concept of objectivity? When it comes to the concept of entertainment? No. Is the 2003 movie The Room (written/directed/produced by Tommy Wiseau) "objectively" good or bad? * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Room https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Room If it is "objectively" 'bad' why do (many) people have such a good time watching it? Are they "objectively" happier after watching The Room? Are people "objectively" happier after watching Project Hail Mary? What is the purpose of "art": in general and/or particular works of it?

inaros 7mo ago
>>When it comes to the concept of entertainment? No. You are confusing taste and quality.... If there is no objectivity....then you would have no basis to explain why a film is better or worse than another, A student first iPhone short would be equal to The Godfather. A child banging pots would be indistinguishable from a Symphony. The moment you say something is good or bad, we can talk about craft, skill, storytelling structure and emotional impact, all of which can be measured and compared and where this movie fails on all parameters... You can personally dislike something excellent...for example few people can appreciate the genius of Miles Davis, and enjoy something mediocre... Too many to quote here...but Project Hail Mary is one :-)
- ceejayoz 7mo ago
  > If there is no objectivity....then you would have no basis to explain why a film is better or worse than another This is indeed the case. You can consult many film experts and get very different top ten lists. Some critics may hate The Godfather. Some won't get Citizen Kane. Some love a good popcorn fluff movie and find this year's Oscar contenders pretentious. It becomes a matter of general consensus. And that consensus appears to be that it's a pretty satisfying movie; https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/project_hail_mary https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/project_hail_mary. (High art? No. But that wasn't its goal.)
  - inaros 7mo ago
    You say there is no objectivity, but then you immediately appeal to consensus, Rotten Tomatoes scores, and whether the film achieved its goal :-)) Those are all attempts at objective measurement. You are using objective frameworks to argue objectivity does not exist. :-) The fact that critics disagree does not prove there is no objectivity. People disagree about scientific questions too, but that does not mean science is purely subjective. Disagreement just means the question is hard, not that there is no answer... The whole reason you cited that score is because you believe it points to something real about the film quality. That is an appeal to objectivity whether you realize it or not. :-) I argue those manipulated reviews [1] are not... [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47520761 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47520761