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The failed revolution a month prior may have been the US too. It's after the ramp up in production of weapons used in the shooting war started.

mrguyorama 7mo ago
No, the protests were mostly genuine. That's what happens when your country is so up it's own ass with religious totalitarianism that you set yourself up to not have water at all in the next few decades. Average citizens generally get really pissy when you take away the "At least I'm not literally dying" excuse. The US could not participate in that because we had moved assets to south america to fuck with Venezuela. The war in Iran wasn't started until the USS Ford had been re-positioned back to the middle east.
- aaa_aaa 7mo ago
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  - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
    > Seriously did you buy this? Uh yes, water shortages and inflation have a habit of pissing people off.
    - overfeed 7mo ago
      The CIA, as its tradition demands, never meddles when the conditions are ripe to promote American interests. They just let nature take its course from afar.
      - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
        > CIA, as its tradition demands, never meddles when the conditions are ripe to promote American interests Straw man. Nobody argued American interests were unrepresented on the ground.
  - netsharc 7mo ago
    If you're claiming they've been duped, at least provide an argument to say why they're wrong. Preferably with links to credible research (sigh, what's "credible" anyway?)
JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> The failed revolution a month prior may have been the US too Probably not. History has practically zero examples of foreign-caused popular revolts. When you want your person in power, you do a military coup. What history is littered with is adversaries (a) constantly fomenting dissent in each other and (b) levelling up convenient revolutions. America has been doing the former in Iran since basically 1979. But to say the recent protests "may have been the US" is ascribing way too much influence to Washington.
- Der_Einzige 7mo ago
  "History has practically zero examples of foreign-caused popular revolts" You should go take a look at what Lenin and many other communists was doing and where he was physically right before the October revolution... Also, Haiti slave revolt was heavily influenced by the French revolution. Also, uhh the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom?
  - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
    > You should go take a look at what Lenin and many other communists was doing and where he was physically right before the October revolution To what effect? The only other successful Communist revolution prior to the conclusion of the October revolution was the one in Mongolia [1]. It built on decade-old revolutionary ground [2]. (Finland, meanwhile, was seceding from White Russia.) Trying to cause a revolution from abroad just doesn't work. Exhibit A: right now. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_revolution#Successful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_revolution#Successfu... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_Revolution
    - don_esteban 7mo ago
      Re: Trying to cause a revolution from abroad just doesn't work. Are you just blindly ignoring all 'regime changes' supported/caused by US (i.e. from abroad) since WW2? Some of them do not work (this one is especially botched). Many, many have succeeded (the initial change), with typically less successful outcomes over longer time frames. And you are totally missing the point of the remark about Lenin and Germany's part (essentially sending him to destabilize Russia in order to help their WW1 efforts - succeeded wildly beyond expectations, to disastrous long term consequences)

mrguyorama 7mo ago

No, the protests were mostly genuine. That's what happens when your country is so up it's own ass with religious totalitarianism that you set yourself up to not have water at all in the next few decades. Average citizens generally get really pissy when you take away the "At least I'm not literally dying" excuse. The US could not participate in that because we had moved assets to south america to fuck with Venezuela. The war in Iran wasn't started until the USS Ford had been re-positioned back to the middle east.

aaa_aaa 7mo ago
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- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > Seriously did you buy this? Uh yes, water shortages and inflation have a habit of pissing people off.
  - overfeed 7mo ago
    The CIA, as its tradition demands, never meddles when the conditions are ripe to promote American interests. They just let nature take its course from afar.
    - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
      > CIA, as its tradition demands, never meddles when the conditions are ripe to promote American interests Straw man. Nobody argued American interests were unrepresented on the ground.
- netsharc 7mo ago
  If you're claiming they've been duped, at least provide an argument to say why they're wrong. Preferably with links to credible research (sigh, what's "credible" anyway?)

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago

> The failed revolution a month prior may have been the US too Probably not. History has practically zero examples of foreign-caused popular revolts. When you want your person in power, you do a military coup. What history is littered with is adversaries (a) constantly fomenting dissent in each other and (b) levelling up convenient revolutions. America has been doing the former in Iran since basically 1979. But to say the recent protests "may have been the US" is ascribing way too much influence to Washington.

Der_Einzige 7mo ago
"History has practically zero examples of foreign-caused popular revolts" You should go take a look at what Lenin and many other communists was doing and where he was physically right before the October revolution... Also, Haiti slave revolt was heavily influenced by the French revolution. Also, uhh the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom?
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > You should go take a look at what Lenin and many other communists was doing and where he was physically right before the October revolution To what effect? The only other successful Communist revolution prior to the conclusion of the October revolution was the one in Mongolia [1]. It built on decade-old revolutionary ground [2]. (Finland, meanwhile, was seceding from White Russia.) Trying to cause a revolution from abroad just doesn't work. Exhibit A: right now. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_revolution#Successful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_revolution#Successfu... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_Revolution
  - don_esteban 7mo ago
    Re: Trying to cause a revolution from abroad just doesn't work. Are you just blindly ignoring all 'regime changes' supported/caused by US (i.e. from abroad) since WW2? Some of them do not work (this one is especially botched). Many, many have succeeded (the initial change), with typically less successful outcomes over longer time frames. And you are totally missing the point of the remark about Lenin and Germany's part (essentially sending him to destabilize Russia in order to help their WW1 efforts - succeeded wildly beyond expectations, to disastrous long term consequences)