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> It’s called parenting. Society has a responsibility and an interest in parenting your kids as well. That's why it mandates some level of education and offer

by didibus 7mo ago

> It’s called parenting. Society has a responsibility and an interest in parenting your kids as well. That's why it mandates some level of education and offer parts of it for free. It's why it has stores/bars check ID for buying alcohol or cigarettes. It's why banks don't give loans or credit cards to kids. It's why kids that commit a crime are not treated like adults. So I never really understood that argument that society shouldn't also be worried and want to put some measures in place to protect kids from social media harm.

dgxyz 7mo ago
I don't disagree. Society should reinforce what is good for it. But it should have reinforced parenting rather than introduce draconian controls on everything. Because they always end up creating more problems. On top of that, while the current government may not be an authoritarian dictatorship, that is not guaranteed going forwards so any mechanisms the state build must be compatible with that in the future. This is not.
- didibus 7mo ago
  I reckon the difficulty in the balancing act, and frankly don't have an answer for it. And I agree that regulation that can help parent do parenting would be a good start, so many services have such poor parental control, or it's behind an extra fee. Or in general, parents are not given support in both appropriate time off, financial, help, and education to be better parents. That said, there are also so many bad parents, child without one, and so on, as well as external influences where parents can't reasonably be present for 24h/7, that I think there is also room for measures that don't rely on parents. And again, I reckon some of the ideas on what those could be conflict with other ideals, and I have no solution for that, but I think we won't find a solution by simply denying what the other cares about, which I often see happening. Either one side claims privacy don't matter as much as those that care about do, or they claim that children and their safety/health doesn't matter as much as those that care about it do. And I see both often pushing the problem away, like, parents should just not let kids to these things, or privacy conscious folks just shouldn't expect privacy on major platform and not use them.

by didibus 7mo ago

dgxyz 7mo ago

I don't disagree. Society should reinforce what is good for it. But it should have reinforced parenting rather than introduce draconian controls on everything. Because they always end up creating more problems. On top of that, while the current government may not be an authoritarian dictatorship, that is not guaranteed going forwards so any mechanisms the state build must be compatible with that in the future. This is not.

didibus 7mo ago
I reckon the difficulty in the balancing act, and frankly don't have an answer for it. And I agree that regulation that can help parent do parenting would be a good start, so many services have such poor parental control, or it's behind an extra fee. Or in general, parents are not given support in both appropriate time off, financial, help, and education to be better parents. That said, there are also so many bad parents, child without one, and so on, as well as external influences where parents can't reasonably be present for 24h/7, that I think there is also room for measures that don't rely on parents. And again, I reckon some of the ideas on what those could be conflict with other ideals, and I have no solution for that, but I think we won't find a solution by simply denying what the other cares about, which I often see happening. Either one side claims privacy don't matter as much as those that care about do, or they claim that children and their safety/health doesn't matter as much as those that care about it do. And I see both often pushing the problem away, like, parents should just not let kids to these things, or privacy conscious folks just shouldn't expect privacy on major platform and not use them.