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> Hegel is irrelevant in the age of measurement That’s bs. Even just the preface to Phenomenology of Spirit is chock full of ideas that folks would be better o

> Hegel is irrelevant in the age of measurement That’s bs. Even just the preface to Phenomenology of Spirit is chock full of ideas that folks would be better off if they contemplated. Hegel can be considered a visual thinker (or visionary) whose ideas don’t need “measurement”. If folks understand his thoughts on the master-slave dialectic, for example, they would have an idea as to why we have such incompetent leaders like trump. His thought suffers from the same problem of any thinker who tried to be systematic, but it is still worth being inspired by.

AndrewKemendo 7mo ago
The point is not “could someone get benefit from this” it’s that there are better heuristics to use and using old ones means you’re operating on old software By that standard literally anything is valuable even as just an example of what not to do so it’s a meaningless measurement
- beedeebeedee 7mo ago
  > there are better heuristics to use and using old ones means you’re operating on old software You’re making a lot of pronouncements that are arbitrary to you
  - AndrewKemendo 7mo ago
    It’s a rare condition called having an educated and informed opinion
    - beedeebeedee 6mo ago
      I don’t want to punch down, but that comes across a lot like trump saying he has the biggest words. You may not have the time or inclination, but there is a lot to learn from studying Hegel and the history of philosophy. No ‘measurement’ is required.
      - AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
        That was never a question. There are structural limits to the Hegelian Dialectic being used as a universal epistemology Marxism and other non-numerically based epistemology traditions refuse to accept this The majority of people aren’t even as deep as hegel and yet even the hegelians still think they have a universal epistemology when they have a keplerian version at best that hasn’t even heard of subatomic particles
        beedeebeedee 6mo ago
        > That was never a question You originally made the statement that "Hegel is irrelevant in the age of measurement", to which I objected. Unless you're going to back pedal further, you did find studying Hegel questionable. I'm not going to go on the attack, but your pronouncements and self-certainty do not sound well considered.
        AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
        They can both be true For an ignorant uneducated person with absolutely no education thinking dialectically is an improvement If you are a doctor or prime minister in 2026 you’re neglegent if your epistemological roots are based on a hegelian dialectic But go off queen
        beedeebeedee 6mo ago
        Top-notch philosophical argumentation. All of your rare, educated and informed opinions really shine.

AndrewKemendo 7mo ago

The point is not “could someone get benefit from this” it’s that there are better heuristics to use and using old ones means you’re operating on old software By that standard literally anything is valuable even as just an example of what not to do so it’s a meaningless measurement

beedeebeedee 7mo ago
> there are better heuristics to use and using old ones means you’re operating on old software You’re making a lot of pronouncements that are arbitrary to you
- AndrewKemendo 7mo ago
  It’s a rare condition called having an educated and informed opinion
  - beedeebeedee 6mo ago
    I don’t want to punch down, but that comes across a lot like trump saying he has the biggest words. You may not have the time or inclination, but there is a lot to learn from studying Hegel and the history of philosophy. No ‘measurement’ is required.
    - AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
      That was never a question. There are structural limits to the Hegelian Dialectic being used as a universal epistemology Marxism and other non-numerically based epistemology traditions refuse to accept this The majority of people aren’t even as deep as hegel and yet even the hegelians still think they have a universal epistemology when they have a keplerian version at best that hasn’t even heard of subatomic particles
      - beedeebeedee 6mo ago
        > That was never a question You originally made the statement that "Hegel is irrelevant in the age of measurement", to which I objected. Unless you're going to back pedal further, you did find studying Hegel questionable. I'm not going to go on the attack, but your pronouncements and self-certainty do not sound well considered.
        AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
        They can both be true For an ignorant uneducated person with absolutely no education thinking dialectically is an improvement If you are a doctor or prime minister in 2026 you’re neglegent if your epistemological roots are based on a hegelian dialectic But go off queen
        beedeebeedee 6mo ago
        Top-notch philosophical argumentation. All of your rare, educated and informed opinions really shine.