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How many young men do you know who have never tried marijuana, don't have a tattoo and don't have facial hair? A few years ago it seemed the Army didn't actual

How many young men do you know who have never tried marijuana, don't have a tattoo and don't have facial hair? A few years ago it seemed the Army didn't actually want to recruit young men. They loosened the tattoo requirements in 2022. The facial hair requirement remains, but that's less of an imposition since you can grow it back. They'll have to start taking harassment seriously if they want to recruit more young women.

TurdF3rguson 7mo ago
> They'll have to start taking harassment seriously if they want to recruit more young women. Yeah, um.. about that...
aaron695 7mo ago
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2postsperday 7mo ago
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janalsncm 7mo ago
The document seems to be about convictions for marijuana possession, not usage.
- nullsanity 7mo ago
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TJSomething 7mo ago
Given Sec. Hegseth's record, I don't think he really wants women in the military.
- aaronbrethorst 7mo ago
  Given Sec. Hegseth’s tattoos, I don’t think he wants himself in there either
HWR_14 7mo ago
There are limits on gang tattoos, face/neck/hand tattoos and tattoos that promote various hate-based or extremist ideologies (e.g. Nazi or KKK tattoos.) Other than that, tattoos are allowed.
- tencentshill 7mo ago
  What does Deus Vult qualify as?
  - Bender 7mo ago
    A Christian fighting in a Crusade [1] and most recently 21st century Christian nationalists and alt-right groups [2]. Also recently being used quite a bit in the UK in relation to some anti-immigration movements. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult#Adoption_by_21st_century_Christian_nationalists_and_alt-right_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult#Adoption_by_21st_cen...
michaelteter 7mo ago
Hegseth doesn’t want women in the military.
wafflemaker 7mo ago
I don't know about the facial hair. It would take me months to grow back my moustache, and until then I'd look 10 years younger. Given my age that would be pretty ridiculous.
- simoncion 7mo ago
  > I don't know about the facial hair. Facial hair prevents the proper functioning of gas masks and other sorts of PPE that sits on your face. Hypothetically speaking, [0] I'd rather deal with looking like a minor than with getting a snoot and face full of something dreadfully toxic. [0] Hypothetical because I'm way too old to ever be confused with a minor again.
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LMYahooTFY 7mo ago
Facial hair doesn't matter, you're just required to shave. Tattoos don't matter unless they're in a particular set of extremes. Marijuana also really doesn't matter, it's easily waiverable if you didn't have a chronic problem recently. Harassment is so heavily punished in the military I don't think you're informed on this topic beyond a few wild headlines. It's extremely common knowledge that harassing women will ruin your military career very quickly.
- mmooss 7mo ago
  > It's extremely common knowledge that harassing women will ruin your military career very quickly. Sexual assault rates remain high, afaik. How do those things all make sense? Are they just not investigating/punishing these problems?
  - LMYahooTFY 7mo ago
    Underreporting has been looked at in both military and the general population. Data is difficult to source and there are obvious methodological challenges on both sides. Conviction for sexual assault in the military is an automatic dishonorable discharge and loss of all benefits as a minimum sentence. However, while the military generally has a slightly higher conviction rate than civilian courts, you don't have to be convicted to have career altering or even ending consequences. The bar to convict is also lower. It doesn't require a unanimous vote, there's no statute of limitations, and you're generally going to face immediate consequences once accused.
    - mmooss 7mo ago
      > Underreporting has been looked at in both military and the general population. Data is difficult to source and there are obvious methodological challenges on both sides. The reporting says sexual assault rates are high in the military. If that's underreported, than the rates are even higher. > (etc) Whatever these mechanisms, they aren't implemented if nobody seriously pursues the accusation. Also, the mechanisms don't seem to have sufficient effect in practice.

TurdF3rguson 7mo ago

> They'll have to start taking harassment seriously if they want to recruit more young women. Yeah, um.. about that...

aaron695 7mo ago

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2postsperday 7mo ago

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janalsncm 7mo ago

The document seems to be about convictions for marijuana possession, not usage.

nullsanity 7mo ago
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TJSomething 7mo ago

Given Sec. Hegseth's record, I don't think he really wants women in the military.

aaronbrethorst 7mo ago
Given Sec. Hegseth’s tattoos, I don’t think he wants himself in there either

HWR_14 7mo ago

There are limits on gang tattoos, face/neck/hand tattoos and tattoos that promote various hate-based or extremist ideologies (e.g. Nazi or KKK tattoos.) Other than that, tattoos are allowed.

tencentshill 7mo ago
What does Deus Vult qualify as?
- Bender 7mo ago
  A Christian fighting in a Crusade [1] and most recently 21st century Christian nationalists and alt-right groups [2]. Also recently being used quite a bit in the UK in relation to some anti-immigration movements. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult#Adoption_by_21st_century_Christian_nationalists_and_alt-right_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult#Adoption_by_21st_cen...

michaelteter 7mo ago

Hegseth doesn’t want women in the military.

wafflemaker 7mo ago

I don't know about the facial hair. It would take me months to grow back my moustache, and until then I'd look 10 years younger. Given my age that would be pretty ridiculous.

simoncion 7mo ago
> I don't know about the facial hair. Facial hair prevents the proper functioning of gas masks and other sorts of PPE that sits on your face. Hypothetically speaking, [0] I'd rather deal with looking like a minor than with getting a snoot and face full of something dreadfully toxic. [0] Hypothetical because I'm way too old to ever be confused with a minor again.

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LMYahooTFY 7mo ago

Facial hair doesn't matter, you're just required to shave. Tattoos don't matter unless they're in a particular set of extremes. Marijuana also really doesn't matter, it's easily waiverable if you didn't have a chronic problem recently. Harassment is so heavily punished in the military I don't think you're informed on this topic beyond a few wild headlines. It's extremely common knowledge that harassing women will ruin your military career very quickly.

mmooss 7mo ago
> It's extremely common knowledge that harassing women will ruin your military career very quickly. Sexual assault rates remain high, afaik. How do those things all make sense? Are they just not investigating/punishing these problems?
- LMYahooTFY 7mo ago
  Underreporting has been looked at in both military and the general population. Data is difficult to source and there are obvious methodological challenges on both sides. Conviction for sexual assault in the military is an automatic dishonorable discharge and loss of all benefits as a minimum sentence. However, while the military generally has a slightly higher conviction rate than civilian courts, you don't have to be convicted to have career altering or even ending consequences. The bar to convict is also lower. It doesn't require a unanimous vote, there's no statute of limitations, and you're generally going to face immediate consequences once accused.
  - mmooss 7mo ago
    > Underreporting has been looked at in both military and the general population. Data is difficult to source and there are obvious methodological challenges on both sides. The reporting says sexual assault rates are high in the military. If that's underreported, than the rates are even higher. > (etc) Whatever these mechanisms, they aren't implemented if nobody seriously pursues the accusation. Also, the mechanisms don't seem to have sufficient effect in practice.