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It'll force American to negotiate with Iran and China/India will be the mediators. It will be the beginning of the end of the Petrodollar and likely force Ameri

It'll force American to negotiate with Iran and China/India will be the mediators. It will be the beginning of the end of the Petrodollar and likely force America to leave the Middle East. It will empower Russia, China, and India while hurting US interests. I don't know why we started this war at all other than to serve Israel's interests even when it means harming our own.

platevoltage 7mo ago
The ambassador to Israel is a Christian Zionist who believes in the rapture. The secretary of defense is a crazy person with a crusades tattoo. They would burn the USA down to the ground if it meant moving their insane superstitious agenda forward. Is it forwarding Israel's interests? Yeah. Are they doing it because they love Israel and the Jewish people? Not a chance. Isn't the Rapture cool?
- smt88 7mo ago
  I suspect Hegseth and other officials will be replaced when Trump internalizes how unpopular this war is and needs a scapegoat to facilitate a pivot. He's already blaming other people in his administration for anything that's going wrong. Even if his officials are ideologically stable and consistent, he himself isn't.
  - diogenescynic 7mo ago
    I don't think he cares? He's going to cash out after this and his donors will make sure he is paid handsomely for this. He can't run again and Israel just took 10% of Lebanon and is poised to be the great regional power. They're already talking about Turkey and Pakistan as the new threats... They will just keep moving the goalposts until it stops working. I have no clue where this ends, but Iran could end up buying a nuclear weapon from Pakistan if this keeps heating up.
  - platevoltage 7mo ago
    That is kind of his style. And then we have "anti-war" voices like future president Tucker Carlson who refuses to say Trump's name when criticizing US foreign policy. It just gives him room to say "it wasn't my fault, aren't I great?"
    - thisislife2 7mo ago
      Perhaps you joke, but does Tucker really have a chance at the Presidency?
      - esseph 7mo ago
        He'd have a better chance than most.
      - diogenescynic 7mo ago
        >Perhaps you joke, but does Tucker really have a chance at the Presidency? People had the same attitude about Trump. Tucker has millions of followers and regularly gets more viewers than CNN. He is also one of the only talking heads that isn't on Israel's propaganda payroll. I think he'd actually go far in the primaries if he ran. Whoever wins next will be whoever is the least cozy with Israel. Democrats still polling at all-time lows despite this. I think whoever distances themselves from Israel the most (democrat or republican) is going to be the winner. People see how AIPAC and donors like the Adelsons control our country and force us into wars that don't benefit us. There will absolutely be blow back from this.
        thisislife2 7mo ago
        While I agree with you that Americans (on both sides) are increasingly getting frustrated with American politicians' near-blind devotion to Israel, it will not translate to public eschewing of Israel in American politics. Elections are still won by money-power, and AIPAC supplies a lot of that.
      - locallost 7mo ago
        I don't think so, he's too much of a nerd. He uses too much reasoning in his communication (I am not saying good or bad reasoning) which is not what people want, especially not today. Even someone like Bernie Sanders was successful because he struck a cord, his message was clear and didn't need too much explanation. Tucker is mostly trying to be the smartest person in the room, an intellectual. Too many voters are turned off by this. FWIW I expected Trump to win in 2016 based on similar things.
  - wookmaster 7mo ago
    lol he's been blaming everyone else since he was elected for any issue. He isn't the type of person to accept responsibility for anything.
cmxch 7mo ago
Explain how the US would even approach or even be made to forcibly accept the idea of bowing to another country, especially those three? They are not the average European country and do not behave like them.
- diogenescynic 7mo ago
  >Explain how the US would even approach or even be made to forcibly accept the idea of bowing to another country, especially those three? They are not the average European country and do not behave like them. We don't control the Middle East--as proven by Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc. We definitely can't control the Strait of Hormuz and Iran can choke off 20% of of the world's energy/fertilizer. They will inflict global pain on the economy and we're nearly out of interceptor missiles, but Iran can keep producing cheap drones faster than we can re-arm interceptor missiles. America won't be able to end the conflict without China and India helping to negotiate with Iran. We've already cut sanctions on Russian oil... this is not helping America it's just empowering Russia, China, India, and Iran. The end result of this will be Iran will end up taking a toll on all goods allowed to pass by the Strait of Hormuz, sections on Russia will be dropped, and Iran will sell oil in Chinese yuan. So yeah, this will hurt the US--but I actually think that was Israel's plan all along. They want to control the Middle East and for the US to withdraw and be unable to dominate the region.
  - cmxch 7mo ago
    Then the US reserves the right to step to larger hardware and to remove ships that have YRMB oil.

platevoltage 7mo ago

The ambassador to Israel is a Christian Zionist who believes in the rapture. The secretary of defense is a crazy person with a crusades tattoo. They would burn the USA down to the ground if it meant moving their insane superstitious agenda forward. Is it forwarding Israel's interests? Yeah. Are they doing it because they love Israel and the Jewish people? Not a chance. Isn't the Rapture cool?

smt88 7mo ago
I suspect Hegseth and other officials will be replaced when Trump internalizes how unpopular this war is and needs a scapegoat to facilitate a pivot. He's already blaming other people in his administration for anything that's going wrong. Even if his officials are ideologically stable and consistent, he himself isn't.
- diogenescynic 7mo ago
  I don't think he cares? He's going to cash out after this and his donors will make sure he is paid handsomely for this. He can't run again and Israel just took 10% of Lebanon and is poised to be the great regional power. They're already talking about Turkey and Pakistan as the new threats... They will just keep moving the goalposts until it stops working. I have no clue where this ends, but Iran could end up buying a nuclear weapon from Pakistan if this keeps heating up.
- platevoltage 7mo ago
  That is kind of his style. And then we have "anti-war" voices like future president Tucker Carlson who refuses to say Trump's name when criticizing US foreign policy. It just gives him room to say "it wasn't my fault, aren't I great?"
  - thisislife2 7mo ago
    Perhaps you joke, but does Tucker really have a chance at the Presidency?
    - esseph 7mo ago
      He'd have a better chance than most.
    - diogenescynic 7mo ago
      >Perhaps you joke, but does Tucker really have a chance at the Presidency? People had the same attitude about Trump. Tucker has millions of followers and regularly gets more viewers than CNN. He is also one of the only talking heads that isn't on Israel's propaganda payroll. I think he'd actually go far in the primaries if he ran. Whoever wins next will be whoever is the least cozy with Israel. Democrats still polling at all-time lows despite this. I think whoever distances themselves from Israel the most (democrat or republican) is going to be the winner. People see how AIPAC and donors like the Adelsons control our country and force us into wars that don't benefit us. There will absolutely be blow back from this.
      - thisislife2 7mo ago
        While I agree with you that Americans (on both sides) are increasingly getting frustrated with American politicians' near-blind devotion to Israel, it will not translate to public eschewing of Israel in American politics. Elections are still won by money-power, and AIPAC supplies a lot of that.
    - locallost 7mo ago
      I don't think so, he's too much of a nerd. He uses too much reasoning in his communication (I am not saying good or bad reasoning) which is not what people want, especially not today. Even someone like Bernie Sanders was successful because he struck a cord, his message was clear and didn't need too much explanation. Tucker is mostly trying to be the smartest person in the room, an intellectual. Too many voters are turned off by this. FWIW I expected Trump to win in 2016 based on similar things.
- wookmaster 7mo ago
  lol he's been blaming everyone else since he was elected for any issue. He isn't the type of person to accept responsibility for anything.

cmxch 7mo ago

Explain how the US would even approach or even be made to forcibly accept the idea of bowing to another country, especially those three? They are not the average European country and do not behave like them.

diogenescynic 7mo ago
>Explain how the US would even approach or even be made to forcibly accept the idea of bowing to another country, especially those three? They are not the average European country and do not behave like them. We don't control the Middle East--as proven by Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc. We definitely can't control the Strait of Hormuz and Iran can choke off 20% of of the world's energy/fertilizer. They will inflict global pain on the economy and we're nearly out of interceptor missiles, but Iran can keep producing cheap drones faster than we can re-arm interceptor missiles. America won't be able to end the conflict without China and India helping to negotiate with Iran. We've already cut sanctions on Russian oil... this is not helping America it's just empowering Russia, China, India, and Iran. The end result of this will be Iran will end up taking a toll on all goods allowed to pass by the Strait of Hormuz, sections on Russia will be dropped, and Iran will sell oil in Chinese yuan. So yeah, this will hurt the US--but I actually think that was Israel's plan all along. They want to control the Middle East and for the US to withdraw and be unable to dominate the region.
- cmxch 7mo ago
  Then the US reserves the right to step to larger hardware and to remove ships that have YRMB oil.