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Man I find the HN crowd so cross and fickle sometimes. I think it’s just because when companies get bad rep it affects how people view the products? Im autisti

• raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
  I have gladly been paying $20/month for ChatGPT since the day web search was available and I use codex-cli every day instead of Claude and never have to think about limits. I also use ChatGPT as my default search engine and to help me learn Spanish. But image generation and video generation were a nice parlor trick. But wasn’t useful for me except for images for icons for diagrams. But light you said, porn makes money and there are people who pay $300 a month for Grok to generate AI Porn.
  • exodust 7mo ago
    > there are people who pay $300 a month for Grok to generate AI Porn. Did you just make that up? Grok barely makes "M-rated" nudity, let alone porn. Musk recently claimed it can do "R-Rated content", but his post got a community note saying otherwise. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2031989543529038103 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2031989543529038103
    • raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
      You haven’t been over to r/grok_porn… Grok has gotten a lot stricter about video from uploaded images. But it is still able to make realistic x rated porn from AI generated images it creates. There are various jailbreaks that have been working for the longest and still work, just a brief look, half of them just involve “anime borders” and “transparent anime watermarks” over videos.
      • exodust 7mo ago
        > jailbreaks Your comment made it sound like "out of the box" Grok can generate AI porn. It can't. That reddit sub you mention is tame compared to something like unstable_diffusion where the AI-porn hobbyists use locally installed models. Some of the comments in the grok_porn sub are complaining about censorship, and literally complaining about how the anime hack isn't working. So you've only confirmed my point and contradicted your own. I've been messing around with sci-fi horror themes including graphic gore. Grok now does gore when before it wouldn't. When I tried nudity, it refused. This is with AI-generated images from scratch, nothing uploaded. Even "romantic love scene between consenting adults" was denied by Grok. It did 6 seconds of lightweight kissing, then refused to continue. The overwhelming evidence is that Grok does not ordinarily do "AI Porn". It doesn't advertise that it does, and won't produce it in normal circumstances when prompted.
        • raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
          I am not going to post links I saw to grok on r/grok_porn where they within the past two weeks posted Grok generating oral sex, vaginal sex and anal sex using the anime hack. I am trying to keep this somewhat appropriate up to 30 seconds using the “extend video” feature. That’s not even counting all of the prompts that are never shared to Reddit but they talk about sending it privately via DM so xAI won’t patch it
    • 4ggr0 7mo ago
      dude, there was a huge scandal a couple of weeks ago about grok creating CSAM... https://www.forbes.com/sites/martinadilicosa/2026/01/09/grok-says-it-restricted-image-generation-after-deepfake-backlash-but-its-still-widely-accessible/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/martinadilicosa/2026/01/09/grok...
      • raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
        I’m not talking about that. Grok is really strict now about what you are allowed to do with uploaded pictures but there are well known techniques to get it to create x rated realistic video using pictures it generates from scratch.
      • exodust 7mo ago
        So Musk's ex-girlfriend makes allegations about images nobody has seen but her, and you're locking that in as a confirmed scandal? Okay dude! Many users including Musk responded at the time saying he's seen literally zero underage images generated by Grok: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2011432649353511350 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2011432649353511350 Anyone can use a range of offline tools and processes to generate nasty images, then blame whoever they want for that image. But who cares about that when there's outrage to spread am I right?
        • 4ggr0 7mo ago
          that's just one of the examples/sources, here's more if you really care, https://counterhate.com/research/grok-floods-x-with-sexualized-images/ https://counterhate.com/research/grok-floods-x-with-sexualiz... also, using Musk as a source...yeah, sure. as if that's any better than sourcing his ex. if Musk says he's seen none then there are none, after all he never lies and always takes criticism about his companies seriously. good job playing down the situation, classy act. we're not talking about some difference in opinions here, it's about deepfakes including children. remember, it would be an issue without children being involved, that just makes it a magnitude worse.
          • exodust 6mo ago
• jazzyjackson 7mo ago
  Interesting to hear your perspective. There was no shock and awe to me, ChatGPT changed what I thought was possible with computers, and everything else as far as photorealistic generation and then video just seemed inevitable. I decided to abstain from watching any video I know is AI, but of course now it’s mixed in with television and advertisements. I’ve started data hoarding old TV shows thinking it will be nice to have something to watch when the internet goes down.
• Cider9986 7mo ago
  Sure the tech was cool, but people already hated youtube shorts when they were added. I think the "HN crowd" is probably the type to dislike short form content, so that might be where some of the dislike comes from.
• nektro 7mo ago
  all ai video will be remembered as horrific and a showcase that its creators have no ethical foresight
  • tefkah 7mo ago
    "The [AI researchers] have known sin, and this is a knowledge which they cannot lose."[0] which is what I would hope would happen, but they're probably fine not thinking about the consequences of their actions looking at their 7 figure salaries [0]: https://www.azquotes.com/quote/834918 https://www.azquotes.com/quote/834918
• platevoltage 7mo ago
  The iPhone X's new feature where it approximated you facial expressions on a 3D character using the facial recognition sensors blew my mind as well. It was a party trick. I can't remember the last time I touched it. That's what SORA is, or was.
  • asnyder 7mo ago
    I know the developer who worked on it took pride in the outcome. Hopefully they added some additional characters to keep it fresh.
    • platevoltage 7mo ago
      To be fair, it was really cool. It was also a tech demo with no real practical application.
      • tikotus 7mo ago
        It was really cool, unlike my phone after doing it for 5 minutes! There were social games that used it as a feature, and it was fun when it worked, but it had to be disabled soon as it drained the battery so fast.
  • aDivineDragones 7mo ago
    While Apple use of the tracking was not more than a party trick, the foundational technology they created for this is currently the best low budget tracking solution and heavily used in VTubing (online streamers that use an Avatar with live facial tracking instead of showing their face via webcam)
    • platevoltage 7mo ago
      You are very correct. The tech is super cool, and this is a practical use for it. This is still very niche.
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• claaams 7mo ago
  The tech was fine/interesting for what it is. The product itself is awful and something from nightmares. It's not an enjoyable experience for me watching some uncanny valley slop. I'm not impressed with the "creativity" of someone typing in a prompt and having a plagiarismbox spit something out. The ingenuity and resourcefulness of someone actually making something is what I like. The emotion and reasons behind a work of art make it inspiring. The details of their perspective and choices they make when creating it are beautiful and interesting. The impact of easy AI generated video is a less certain and less secure world. You can't trust your eyes anymore because of how fast and easy it is to fake video and moments. You can't trust communications with someone because how easy it is to impersonate them over video and voice. Scams involving tools like this are already running rampant and it will only get worse. The sheer level of distrust these tools have unleashed into the world makes me wish they never existed. They have burned millions (billions?) of dollars on this when that money would have been better served going to the creators whose work they stole to build it. It's rotten.
• ccppurcell 7mo ago
  The tone of a discussion is shaped as much by who doesn't comment as who does. A product comes out and a lot of people are excited by it, they comment accordingly. People who aren't, don't, unless there is something outrageous about it. Maybe there is in this case but the point still stands that when the product fails, it's a very different set of people who feel compelled to comment. And this is totally expected because "that's a shame, I liked it" doesn't seem to contribute to the discussion. Neither does "this product doesn't excite me", even more so because that's kind of the default assumption. So an online community or institution or publication can seem very fickle, especially when the commenters are pseudonymous.
• pjc50 7mo ago
  > I think the lack of nudity destroyed the adult market As we've see from Grok, building the system for producing non consensual nude images of other people will get the legal and PR hammer brought down on you fairly quickly. It's just an incredibly unethical thing to do.
• camillomiller 7mo ago
  "I'm autistic and tend to focus on the tech" is not a justification, and I would advise to stop using it as such. Would you apply the same to killing robots? Hey, the Hyperthrasher 2000 mauls people and shreds them to pieces, but it's the most impressive TECH demo I've ever seen!
  • ionwake 7mo ago
    Totally disagree this is what would happen. Hypertheasher2000 breaks through my door to eat me. First time I’ve seen a man made human eating werewolf bot. Me: damn that’s cool …………AAAAAHHH HELP ME
    • jjulius 7mo ago
      >Totally disagree this is what would happen. Doesn't matter if you agree that would happen, the analogy is valid - you're essentially admitting that you're ignoring the negative impacts of the tech for the sake of how impressive it is.
      • ionwake 7mo ago
        Im not sure you understand the conversation we are having. I have said about 3 times I am solely judging tech by how impressive it is technically. I have no idea who you are arguing with.
        • diputsmonro 7mo ago
          You can feel that way if you want, but to answer the confusion you posed in your initial post, most people do consider all aspects of a technology rather than just focus on the technical achievements. We live in a society of billions of humans interacting with each other, and whether or not you personally care or understand those interactions, they still do exist and still impact all of our lives. A particular technology may be cool, but if it threatens the lives of me or my family, I'm going to have a negative view of it. Nothing exists in a vacuum and the way technologies affect people living in the world is a fundamentally important aspect of the technology itself. To ignore them would be like celebrating a cool new engine design but overlooking the fact that it has a tendency to explode and kill everyone in the car. If the primary effect of a technology is human suffering, then it isn't cool!
• Gigachad 7mo ago
  Sora was a bit like seeing a new weapon being demoed. No matter how much engineering went in to it. The overwhelming feeling was “this is bad for society and the consequences will be massive.” So far that’s been exactly it. Now AI generated videos are primarily used to scam, deceive, and ragebait.
  • trgn 7mo ago
    already theyve made youtube unusable
  • olalonde 7mo ago
    Disagree. It's also used for high quality entertainment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lNzYP6SjVY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lNzYP6SjVY
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  • tefkah 7mo ago
    exactly! while there may be some neutral to slightly positive use of this tech (haha funny video) I can only really see the evil uses of it: scams, misinformation, propaganda, easily available to create by anyone at massive scale. I really don't see the argument for this tech to be any kind of good, unless you think moving into an era where you cannot trust any image or video is somehow a neutral outcome, AND are happy about the people who are in control of this tech. which I guess captures a larger part of the HN crowd than I'd hoped
    • bit-anarchist 7mo ago
      My perspective is different: we never could trust videos and images in the past. Our hopes, back then, were that the costs of faking said media (despite us being in the age of information and media) would remain permanently high and would deter people from choosing so. But this was always wishful thinking. GenAI has presented tangible proof of such risks and is forcing society to reevaluate the way we trust evidence. In my eyes, it serves as an opportunity to improve our foundations of trust to something that relies less on the good will of random authorities onto something more objective. Also, I haven't really seem anyone celebrating the large corporations who control AI tech. Could be simply the people I'm involved with, but most AI enthusiasts I've seem are more about, at least, open-weights AI models.
• whywhywhywhy 7mo ago
  It's not that, the demo was impressive but when it became wildly available the reality of it never lived up to what was demoed and it later came out some of the shorts they did with directors had a lot of editing to them anyway.
• johnfn 7mo ago
  I think Sora is an excellent way to see how people's beliefs clash with reality. Even in this post, I see people likening Sora to unveiling "a weapon", it filling them with "bland dread", or comparing it to creating "killing robots". But now that Sora is being shut down, what impact did Sora actually have on society, other than getting a couple of people to waste their time making some funny meme videos? Did any of those negative externalities actually play out? If you are autistic, I feel that it causes you to see reality a more accurately than most here on this thread.
  • gordonhart 7mo ago
    At least according to the Head of Product at X, Sora was by far the most widely used tool to create fake war videos[0] aiming to push various false narratives. Given how popular fake content is at Meta I can only imagine what they see there (if they even have anybody looking at this kind of thing). [0] https://x.com/nikitabier/status/2029024577624650041 https://x.com/nikitabier/status/2029024577624650041
    • heavyset_go 7mo ago
      On X, viewing actual war footage was locked behind age-gating and identity verification, while any idiots' fake war footage was uncensored and consumable by anyone.
    • johnfn 7mo ago
      I understand that misinformation is a bad thing, and your point is taken that I was probably too quick to brush off the worst thing that Sora did as 'some funny memes'. But still. Photoshop is used to make a lot of misinformation, probably 1000x to 10,000x as much as Sora did, or even more than that. Does anyone say the latest version of Photoshop is like unveiling a weapon? Does anyone say that AI driven generative fill in Photoshop is like creating killing robots?
  • toraway 7mo ago
    Sora was one of the earliest demos of a "wow okay that is good enough to be mistaken for real" GenAI model, which is what that comment was referencing with the "weapon" reference (the tech behind it not just Sora™ Videos). Sure, by the time they productized it, Sora was no longer SOTA thanks to the AI arms race. And ultimately positioned as a TikTok for Slop with an annoying watermark so didn't take the world by storm on its own. But since it was unveiled GenAI videos as a whole have become commonplace everywhere else on the internet, with plenty of negative impact already in terms of spam or manipulation, and we're barely in year 2 so far.