> i am recommending to my kids that they avoid post-secondary Certainly I'd avoid an expensive standard university to start unless they have an obvious path.

> i am recommending to my kids that they avoid post-secondary Certainly I'd avoid an expensive standard university to start unless they have an obvious path. I'd recommend the local community college for 2 years to get an Associate's Degree of some form though with an eye on heading to a university for the last bits.