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> look at US top videos on YouTube any given day I'd rather eat poison

echelon 7mo ago
We can have that discussion, or we can have the more interesting discussion of just how much big corporate intellectual property, franchises, and brands have their hooks in pop culture. Big IP is strong arming OpenAI, Suno, and all the rest. It'll be interesting to see whether creators at the bottom of the pyramid can effectively create new brands and IPs at a fast enough rate to displace the lack of being able to use corporate IP. I also think the lawyers at the MPAA, RIAA, gaming industry, etc. will ultimately require all of social media to install VLMs to detect if their properties are being posted. Forget generation - that's hard to squash - they'll go directly to Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and Reddit and force them to obtain licenses to their characters and music. We'll see cable TV era "blackouts" when a social network has to renegotiate their IP license. People really wanted to use Sora for about a week. After the app/model debuted, they lost the ability to generate IP within the first week. The interest faded almost immediately. The same thing happened with Seedance 2.0. People want to generate IP. edit: clarity
- jrflowers 7mo ago
  > People wanted to use Sora for about a week. Then they lost the ability to generate IP. Or the novelty wore off in about a week, and then after that it also became harder to generate videos of baby yoda at Westboro Baptist Church protests
- array_key_first 7mo ago
  Pop culture is a fickle beast. What is pop culture is community made, not corporate made, and it can't be bought and sold like traditional markets. It's one of the few areas of life where nobodies can become somebody, and corporations hate this. Media like YouTube isn't consolidating because that's what people want, it's because that's what YouTube and IP holders want. They want death to people like Boxxy, and they want you to watch VEVO instead.
- no_wizard 7mo ago
  Personally I’m glad that big IP came in and smashed the AI companies like this. They been relentlessly ripping off smaller creators for some time now. It opens the precedent for those creators to now also hold these companies responsible. That’s not a bad thing under the current legal system in this way. Also, seeing genuine original creations created with AI assistance is much more interesting to me
  - oorza 7mo ago
    > Also, seeing genuine original creations created with AI assistance is much more interesting to me The great disappointment about how all of this is marketed is what AI should be good at doing - enhancing a tiny budget - is all but forgotten. I don't want a video of Pikachu fighting Doctor Strange, I want some weirdos fantastical horror movie that he could never get financed, but was able to green screen and use AI to generate everything. I don't want a goofy top 40 country song full of silly lyrics, I want musicians to use AI to generate new sounds as part of composition. In the same way that there's a difference between vibe coding and using a coding assistant...
    - NateEag 7mo ago
      > I want musicians to use AI to generate new sounds as part of composition. As a onetime semi-pro musician, with decades of live performance and sound design experience: I would rather burn my beloved instruments publicly and pee on the fire.
      - rustystump 7mo ago
        I think he meant more like a synth. You could take recordings and process them using ai. At least this was my takeaway
        NateEag 7mo ago
        I spent years deep in modular synthesis, making my own patches, sounds, and effects processors then using them to perform music. Taking away the precision, control, and serendipity afforded by modules and cables, or a programming language, and telling me "Just describe what you want and the plagiarism machine will spit out whatever correlates with that description on average" would destroy everything I love about synthesis.
- pjc50 7mo ago
  Maybe, but the Sora shutdown comes immediately after reaching a deal with Disney to use their IP. Which might have solved that problem.
- KaiserPro 7mo ago
  > Big IP is strong arming OpenAI, Suno, and all the rest. > It'll be interesting to see whether creators at the bottom of the pyramid can effectively create new brands The problem is, to create a brand, you need to be able to protect it against rivals either ripping you off, or diluting it. The same mechanism that protects "big" IP is also protect everyone else, even the small people. > they'll go directly to Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and Reddit and force them to obtain licenses They already do that for music. But the issue is this, if we want culture, we need to find a way to pay for it. Is it possible for a bunch of mates to make enough money to live on playing in a local band? not really. They can only really make money if they either have a viable local gigging scene, or large enough online following to sell merch/patreon. The big IP merchants were quite keen for videogen, because they sense that its possible to cut out the expensive artists. If they can not pay actors, writers, artists, then its way more profitable for them. This is part of the reason why AI hasn't been hit with the napster ban hammer. I think the other thing to remember is that creating good IP is hard, and you can't really just pull it out of your arse after 5 minutes. The original seed takes a long time to refine, test, evolve. Even the half arsed sequels require work.
toss1 7mo ago
Indeed!! If you consider how the reading, audio, and video you consume either builds or degrades your capabilities and character, as the food or poison you consume either builds or degrades your physical health, then [looking at US top videos on YouTube any given day] literally IS taking poison for your mind. Depending on the poison and the dosage, eating the poison for your body instead may be the lesser of the two evils.
- toss1 7mo ago
  Weird. No activity or response to an obscure post beyond a couple upvotes. Then, the next day a brigade no-engagement downvotes. IDC, but seems like some corporate image management trying to hide negative takes on Google properties? Sheesh

We can have that discussion, or we can have the more interesting discussion of just how much big corporate intellectual property, franchises, and brands have their hooks in pop culture. Big IP is strong arming OpenAI, Suno, and all the rest. It'll be interesting to see whether creators at the bottom of the pyramid can effectively create new brands and IPs at a fast enough rate to displace the lack of being able to use corporate IP. I also think the lawyers at the MPAA, RIAA, gaming industry, etc. will ultimately require all of social media to install VLMs to detect if their properties are being posted. Forget generation - that's hard to squash - they'll go directly to Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and Reddit and force them to obtain licenses to their characters and music. We'll see cable TV era "blackouts" when a social network has to renegotiate their IP license. People really wanted to use Sora for about a week. After the app/model debuted, they lost the ability to generate IP within the first week. The interest faded almost immediately. The same thing happened with Seedance 2.0. People want to generate IP. edit: clarity

jrflowers 7mo ago
> People wanted to use Sora for about a week. Then they lost the ability to generate IP. Or the novelty wore off in about a week, and then after that it also became harder to generate videos of baby yoda at Westboro Baptist Church protests
array_key_first 7mo ago
Pop culture is a fickle beast. What is pop culture is community made, not corporate made, and it can't be bought and sold like traditional markets. It's one of the few areas of life where nobodies can become somebody, and corporations hate this. Media like YouTube isn't consolidating because that's what people want, it's because that's what YouTube and IP holders want. They want death to people like Boxxy, and they want you to watch VEVO instead.
no_wizard 7mo ago
Personally I’m glad that big IP came in and smashed the AI companies like this. They been relentlessly ripping off smaller creators for some time now. It opens the precedent for those creators to now also hold these companies responsible. That’s not a bad thing under the current legal system in this way. Also, seeing genuine original creations created with AI assistance is much more interesting to me
- oorza 7mo ago
  > Also, seeing genuine original creations created with AI assistance is much more interesting to me The great disappointment about how all of this is marketed is what AI should be good at doing - enhancing a tiny budget - is all but forgotten. I don't want a video of Pikachu fighting Doctor Strange, I want some weirdos fantastical horror movie that he could never get financed, but was able to green screen and use AI to generate everything. I don't want a goofy top 40 country song full of silly lyrics, I want musicians to use AI to generate new sounds as part of composition. In the same way that there's a difference between vibe coding and using a coding assistant...
  - NateEag 7mo ago
    > I want musicians to use AI to generate new sounds as part of composition. As a onetime semi-pro musician, with decades of live performance and sound design experience: I would rather burn my beloved instruments publicly and pee on the fire.
    - rustystump 7mo ago
      I think he meant more like a synth. You could take recordings and process them using ai. At least this was my takeaway
      - NateEag 7mo ago
        I spent years deep in modular synthesis, making my own patches, sounds, and effects processors then using them to perform music. Taking away the precision, control, and serendipity afforded by modules and cables, or a programming language, and telling me "Just describe what you want and the plagiarism machine will spit out whatever correlates with that description on average" would destroy everything I love about synthesis.
pjc50 7mo ago
Maybe, but the Sora shutdown comes immediately after reaching a deal with Disney to use their IP. Which might have solved that problem.
KaiserPro 7mo ago
> Big IP is strong arming OpenAI, Suno, and all the rest. > It'll be interesting to see whether creators at the bottom of the pyramid can effectively create new brands The problem is, to create a brand, you need to be able to protect it against rivals either ripping you off, or diluting it. The same mechanism that protects "big" IP is also protect everyone else, even the small people. > they'll go directly to Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and Reddit and force them to obtain licenses They already do that for music. But the issue is this, if we want culture, we need to find a way to pay for it. Is it possible for a bunch of mates to make enough money to live on playing in a local band? not really. They can only really make money if they either have a viable local gigging scene, or large enough online following to sell merch/patreon. The big IP merchants were quite keen for videogen, because they sense that its possible to cut out the expensive artists. If they can not pay actors, writers, artists, then its way more profitable for them. This is part of the reason why AI hasn't been hit with the napster ban hammer. I think the other thing to remember is that creating good IP is hard, and you can't really just pull it out of your arse after 5 minutes. The original seed takes a long time to refine, test, evolve. Even the half arsed sequels require work.

toss1 7mo ago

Indeed!! If you consider how the reading, audio, and video you consume either builds or degrades your capabilities and character, as the food or poison you consume either builds or degrades your physical health, then [looking at US top videos on YouTube any given day] literally IS taking poison for your mind. Depending on the poison and the dosage, eating the poison for your body instead may be the lesser of the two evils.

toss1 7mo ago
Weird. No activity or response to an obscure post beyond a couple upvotes. Then, the next day a brigade no-engagement downvotes. IDC, but seems like some corporate image management trying to hide negative takes on Google properties? Sheesh