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(reposting this comment from the other thread which discusses the same topic, I'm sorry for any trouble that may cause) From one side, that sure... does have s

(reposting this comment from the other thread which discusses the same topic, I'm sorry for any trouble that may cause) From one side, that sure... does have some point. Well, I mean, one could potentially install some kind of a backdoor on the networking hardware they produce, and if it's state-controlled, then it could potentially be a threat. From the other side, though... That's crazy. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, or maybe I'm just stupid, I don't know; but at this point, with almost no manufacturing in the USA, this feels like shooting yourself in the foot. Or rather, it's like shooting yourself straight up in the head if manufacturing will not be efficiently (so it can satisfy the demand) moved to the USA (which is a big challenge).

vkou 7mo ago
You are missing something. Trump is open for business, and will happily give you an exemption in exchange for a large sum of cash.
- imglorp 7mo ago
  Yeah, this is probably the point. His MO, over and over, is to take something away from you and then sell it back.
- dryarzeg 7mo ago
  Will he do this for Chinese manufacturers? I'm not sure, but I think they have a decent market share. If this is true, then, I guess, there will still be some missing supply, at least in the short term. Now, that's not even the main problem. Imagine if someone did something like this with RAM or NAND. Again, maybe I'm stupid, but this sets a precedent. It's not currently possible to move RAM manufacturing (fully satisfying the demand) to the USA, though, so I doubt anyone sane would try to do so.
imglorp 7mo ago
The good news is this domain doesn't call for cutting edge, 2 nm process. There are more than a half dozen fabs in the US which can produce networking chips like ethernet controllers, line drivers, SOC, etc: Intel, TI, Samsung, et al. If US wanted to onshore routers, we could make it happen.
- CharlieDigital 7mo ago
  > If US wanted to onshore routers, we could make it happen It will take months if not years to get a product to market.
- einpoklum 7mo ago
  If I understand the determination on which the FCC decision is based: https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/NSD-Routers0326.pdf https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/NSD-Routers0326.pdf a router produced in the US from foreign-made parts - like controllers, drivers etc. - is not in the "covered list". Although I admit the wording is vague: "produced in the US".

vkou 7mo ago

You are missing something. Trump is open for business, and will happily give you an exemption in exchange for a large sum of cash.

imglorp 7mo ago
Yeah, this is probably the point. His MO, over and over, is to take something away from you and then sell it back.
dryarzeg 7mo ago
Will he do this for Chinese manufacturers? I'm not sure, but I think they have a decent market share. If this is true, then, I guess, there will still be some missing supply, at least in the short term. Now, that's not even the main problem. Imagine if someone did something like this with RAM or NAND. Again, maybe I'm stupid, but this sets a precedent. It's not currently possible to move RAM manufacturing (fully satisfying the demand) to the USA, though, so I doubt anyone sane would try to do so.

imglorp 7mo ago

The good news is this domain doesn't call for cutting edge, 2 nm process. There are more than a half dozen fabs in the US which can produce networking chips like ethernet controllers, line drivers, SOC, etc: Intel, TI, Samsung, et al. If US wanted to onshore routers, we could make it happen.

CharlieDigital 7mo ago
> If US wanted to onshore routers, we could make it happen It will take months if not years to get a product to market.
einpoklum 7mo ago
If I understand the determination on which the FCC decision is based: https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/NSD-Routers0326.pdf https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/NSD-Routers0326.pdf a router produced in the US from foreign-made parts - like controllers, drivers etc. - is not in the "covered list". Although I admit the wording is vague: "produced in the US".