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One point that wasn't mentioned is that we've been through this cycle many times before with Microsoft, and we will again. It wasn't too long ago that Microsof

by runjake 7mo ago

One point that wasn't mentioned is that we've been through this cycle many times before with Microsoft, and we will again. It wasn't too long ago that Microsoft went "all in" on Windows for developers and power users. WSL was drastically improved, developer tools were revamped and open sourced. The press adored the "new" Microsoft. Many developers moved over to Windows because they "got the best of both worlds". And then, they just went back to the same old shit. The thing is, the shit phase of this cycle lasts longer than the non-shit phases. This next phase is just words, so far. But, mind you, even if Microsoft does produce releases to back up those words, they'll be back to their same old shit within a year or two, once again. And the whole process will repeat. PS: And regardless of this supposed change of direction, if you listen to recent statements from Satya and other senior leadership, they are still spewing the same platitudes about agentic computing and software. So what's really going to change long-term?

elboru 7mo ago
I remember being excited about Edge, I even started using it because it was fast and had a couple of built-in features I liked. It was a big improvement over the old IE, it felt like Microsoft was going the right direction, but then they kept using dark patterns to change my default search engine to Bing.
- buccal 7mo ago
  Now you have "rounded edges" in Edge that add a content area limiting margins to all sides. Also, they took an open source browser and do not provide the source for Edge. So much for love of open source.
  - orthoxerox 7mo ago
    Should've used GPL, Google!
- robotnikman 7mo ago
  And now Edge is just another one of many chromium based browsers.
malfist 7mo ago
Every third version, as the saying goes.
alex43578 7mo ago
Unfortunately that’s not unique to Microsoft. It’s a fundamental tug of war between the pushback from consumers and the worst ideas and misaligned incentives in an organization MacOS has had the same ping-pong between good and bad releases, with the latest being particularly poor. Same with video games: one patch brings great fixes, the next introduces absurd cosmetics or a P2W mechanic.
- rendaw 7mo ago
  When was the last time Linux pingponged between quality and trash?
  - alex43578 7mo ago
    For consumers, it's neither been quality nor trash. They just don't think about it. I think this tension arises from the commercialization of a consumer product. If consumers and product managers aren't pushing the product in all these different directions, there aren't issues. "Pro" software doesn't face these issues either - Resolve, Photoshop, SolidWorks, Excel; but consumer-oriented spinoffs do. Apple's attempt to consumerize FinalCut was poorly received at launch.
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gentleman11 7mo ago
That wasn't an up cycle, was it? Wasn't Microsoft was doing that at the same time as adding ads and stuff to the os. Silicon Valley people were just wowed by the open source initiatives and money. Everyone worshipped the ceo for it while windows for users swirled down the toilet, while new analytics couldn't be disabled, etc etc etc

by runjake 7mo ago

elboru 7mo ago

I remember being excited about Edge, I even started using it because it was fast and had a couple of built-in features I liked. It was a big improvement over the old IE, it felt like Microsoft was going the right direction, but then they kept using dark patterns to change my default search engine to Bing.

buccal 7mo ago
Now you have "rounded edges" in Edge that add a content area limiting margins to all sides. Also, they took an open source browser and do not provide the source for Edge. So much for love of open source.
- orthoxerox 7mo ago
  Should've used GPL, Google!
robotnikman 7mo ago
And now Edge is just another one of many chromium based browsers.

malfist 7mo ago

Every third version, as the saying goes.

alex43578 7mo ago

Unfortunately that’s not unique to Microsoft. It’s a fundamental tug of war between the pushback from consumers and the worst ideas and misaligned incentives in an organization MacOS has had the same ping-pong between good and bad releases, with the latest being particularly poor. Same with video games: one patch brings great fixes, the next introduces absurd cosmetics or a P2W mechanic.

rendaw 7mo ago
When was the last time Linux pingponged between quality and trash?
- alex43578 7mo ago
  For consumers, it's neither been quality nor trash. They just don't think about it. I think this tension arises from the commercialization of a consumer product. If consumers and product managers aren't pushing the product in all these different directions, there aren't issues. "Pro" software doesn't face these issues either - Resolve, Photoshop, SolidWorks, Excel; but consumer-oriented spinoffs do. Apple's attempt to consumerize FinalCut was poorly received at launch.
- deleted 6mo ago
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gentleman11 7mo ago

That wasn't an up cycle, was it? Wasn't Microsoft was doing that at the same time as adding ads and stuff to the os. Silicon Valley people were just wowed by the open source initiatives and money. Everyone worshipped the ceo for it while windows for users swirled down the toilet, while new analytics couldn't be disabled, etc etc etc