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Unfortunately current US elections are unauditable because voting machines DO NOT produce any kind of verifiable voting trail Please stop. The machine in the

Unfortunately current US elections are unauditable because voting machines DO NOT produce any kind of verifiable voting trail Please stop. The machine in the video (at least when deployed in NC) absolutely has a paper receipt that gets printed every time a button is pressed.

scott_s 14y ago
NY also has a paper trail. I voted this morning. I filled out a form, using a pen to fill in the circles for my votes, much like standardized tests. I then fed that form into a machine. The polling station kept the form, which is the paper trail for the electronic record.
btilly 14y ago
Fine for that machine. According to http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-security/why-dont-we-have-foolproof-voting-machines-yet-14501027?click=pm_news http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-s... a quarter of the country in this election will use paperless machines. No paper trail at all. According to polls, the election will be decided by swing states that are expected to have margins of victory under 4%. If, hypothetically, the election is decided for Romney in states like Pennsylvania which polls indicated were leaning Democratic on electronic machines where there is no paper trail, will you be inclined to believe that his last minute ads made that a fair win, or would you be inclined to believe that the election was stolen? (Note, the information that Pennsylvania is one of the states without a paper trail is in the article, published today, that I linked to.) I, personally, would be inclined towards the theory that the election was stolen, and the purpose of his last minute ad buys was to create plausible deniability for the manipulation. If, on the other hand, there was a paper trail and audits verified the count, I would be much more comfortable with that election outcome. Whether or not this machine is auditable, unauditable voting machines are a real problem.
- danielweber 14y ago
  According to http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-s.. http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-s.... a quarter of the country in this election will use paperless machines. No paper trail at all. You aren't reading your source correctly.
  - btilly 14y ago
    From the source, And so electronic voting machines fell from favor. Just 25 percent of the country will use paperless systems this year—down from 40 percent in 2006. I read that as a quarter of the country will be using paperless systems in this election. If that is wrong, please explain the correction. Grabbing another source, http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9233058/Election_watchdogs_keep_wary_eye_on_paperless_e_voting_systems http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9233058/Election_watc... lists specific states where paperless systems are likely to be a big issue. Two of them, Virginia and Pennsylvania, are significant swing states that currently lean towards Obama in polls. If both have an unexpected swing to Romney, his chances of legitimately winning enough other states to carry the election are significantly increased. (According to what I see on http://www.electoral-vote.com/ http://www.electoral-vote.com/ he'd need to carry North Carolina and Florida - both of which he's at least tied in, and then any other swing state.) Hopefully unaccountable election machines won't prove to be the margin of victory in this election. However anyone who thinks it is impossible is either uninformed, or unwilling to consider the evidence.
makomk 14y ago
Is the political will actually there to check the paper trail? Hasn't happened anywhere so far...

scott_s 14y ago

NY also has a paper trail. I voted this morning. I filled out a form, using a pen to fill in the circles for my votes, much like standardized tests. I then fed that form into a machine. The polling station kept the form, which is the paper trail for the electronic record.

btilly 14y ago

Fine for that machine. According to http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-security/why-dont-we-have-foolproof-voting-machines-yet-14501027?click=pm_news http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-s... a quarter of the country in this election will use paperless machines. No paper trail at all. According to polls, the election will be decided by swing states that are expected to have margins of victory under 4%. If, hypothetically, the election is decided for Romney in states like Pennsylvania which polls indicated were leaning Democratic on electronic machines where there is no paper trail, will you be inclined to believe that his last minute ads made that a fair win, or would you be inclined to believe that the election was stolen? (Note, the information that Pennsylvania is one of the states without a paper trail is in the article, published today, that I linked to.) I, personally, would be inclined towards the theory that the election was stolen, and the purpose of his last minute ad buys was to create plausible deniability for the manipulation. If, on the other hand, there was a paper trail and audits verified the count, I would be much more comfortable with that election outcome. Whether or not this machine is auditable, unauditable voting machines are a real problem.

danielweber 14y ago
According to http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-s.. http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-s.... a quarter of the country in this election will use paperless machines. No paper trail at all. You aren't reading your source correctly.
- btilly 14y ago
  From the source, And so electronic voting machines fell from favor. Just 25 percent of the country will use paperless systems this year—down from 40 percent in 2006. I read that as a quarter of the country will be using paperless systems in this election. If that is wrong, please explain the correction. Grabbing another source, http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9233058/Election_watchdogs_keep_wary_eye_on_paperless_e_voting_systems http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9233058/Election_watc... lists specific states where paperless systems are likely to be a big issue. Two of them, Virginia and Pennsylvania, are significant swing states that currently lean towards Obama in polls. If both have an unexpected swing to Romney, his chances of legitimately winning enough other states to carry the election are significantly increased. (According to what I see on http://www.electoral-vote.com/ http://www.electoral-vote.com/ he'd need to carry North Carolina and Florida - both of which he's at least tied in, and then any other swing state.) Hopefully unaccountable election machines won't prove to be the margin of victory in this election. However anyone who thinks it is impossible is either uninformed, or unwilling to consider the evidence.

makomk 14y ago

Is the political will actually there to check the paper trail? Hasn't happened anywhere so far...