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Other countries rely less on machines where this sort of thing is even possible. The fact that human-built systems are likely to contain errors is an argument f

Other countries rely less on machines where this sort of thing is even possible. The fact that human-built systems are likely to contain errors is an argument for making these system as simple as possible. The fact that we use touchscreen voting machines in the U.S., with all the hidden errors (honest or malicious) they can introduce into the canvass, is insane.

wpietri 14y ago
Yes! People are surprised when I hear that I, as a software developer, am utterly opposed to touch-screen voting and internet voting. California's system strikes me as ideal. Ballots are on paper but are machine-countable. Voters feed the ballots into the counting machines themselves, which verify that the ballot is valid (e.g., voted for exactly one person per race). If your ballot gets counted properly, the machine makes a happy little noise. I like this because it has the fast results of electronic voting, but it has a proper paper trail and minimum mystery about the counting process.
wizzard 14y ago
Because having groups of random, untrained people squinting at dangling chads is less error-prone? What system, in your opinion, would minimize error?
- jarek 14y ago
  > Because having groups of random, untrained people squinting at dangling chads is less error-prone? What on earth? I marked the candidate I wanted to vote for with an X in a circle on a paper ballot. Marking circles for more than one candidate is a spoiled ballot you can replace instead of depositing if you wish. This isn't rocket science.
- fasouto 14y ago
  Normal(paper) vote with one reviewer per political party.
- eric_the_read 14y ago
  Computer-based systems that print out a machine-readable paper ballot that can be hand-counted as well. You vote (perhaps with a touch screen, perhaps not) by making your selections, printing out your ballot, examining it, and inserting it into the tabulator once printed. There's still plenty of margin for error (for instance, the printer could run misprint or run out of ink, the tabulator could be buggy), and corruption ("here, let me file that for you...") but I think it maximizes the benefits of touchscreen voting for disabled voters while minimizing the downsides.

wpietri 14y ago

Yes! People are surprised when I hear that I, as a software developer, am utterly opposed to touch-screen voting and internet voting. California's system strikes me as ideal. Ballots are on paper but are machine-countable. Voters feed the ballots into the counting machines themselves, which verify that the ballot is valid (e.g., voted for exactly one person per race). If your ballot gets counted properly, the machine makes a happy little noise. I like this because it has the fast results of electronic voting, but it has a proper paper trail and minimum mystery about the counting process.

wizzard 14y ago

Because having groups of random, untrained people squinting at dangling chads is less error-prone? What system, in your opinion, would minimize error?

jarek 14y ago
> Because having groups of random, untrained people squinting at dangling chads is less error-prone? What on earth? I marked the candidate I wanted to vote for with an X in a circle on a paper ballot. Marking circles for more than one candidate is a spoiled ballot you can replace instead of depositing if you wish. This isn't rocket science.
fasouto 14y ago
Normal(paper) vote with one reviewer per political party.
eric_the_read 14y ago
Computer-based systems that print out a machine-readable paper ballot that can be hand-counted as well. You vote (perhaps with a touch screen, perhaps not) by making your selections, printing out your ballot, examining it, and inserting it into the tabulator once printed. There's still plenty of margin for error (for instance, the printer could run misprint or run out of ink, the tabulator could be buggy), and corruption ("here, let me file that for you...") but I think it maximizes the benefits of touchscreen voting for disabled voters while minimizing the downsides.